Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released

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On 15 Dec 2025 03:49:57 GMT, Brock McNuggets wrote:

> On Dec 14, 2025 at 8:41:30 PM MST, "rbowman" wrote
> <mq9eb9Fq0keU1@mid.individual.net>:
> 
>> On Mon, 15 Dec 2025 01:06:59 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2025-12-14 12:33, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>>> Le 13-12-2025, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> a écrit :
>>>>> On 2025-12-13 13:27, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>>>>> Now, considering the easiest way to do stuff to manage your
>>>>>> computer is another question. I've used successfully the command
>>>>>> line to make changes on thousands of files which would have
>>>>>> required me hours or days to take care with a graphical tool with.
>>>>>> I have no example of stuff which would have been easier with a
>>>>>> graphical tool. But for someone who doesn't know the CLI it
>>>>>> wouldn't be so easy because he would need to learn the right
>>>>>> commands first.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It is easier to edit scripts in the GUI desktop than it is in the
>>>>> console. Renouncing to the GUI desktop is ridiculous.
>>>> 
>>>> For me, the difference between the GUI and the CLI is the use of the
>>>> keyboard or the use of the mouse. Of course, I'm launching my
>>>> terminals in GUI. And as a text editor, I'm using neovim. So, I'm
>>>> always fully inside a graphical environment but, I'm using CLI as
>>>> much as possible. Of course, I won't browse websites with links but
>>>> I'm using qutebrowser to be able to use my keyboard on well designed
>>>> website.
>>>> 
>>>> Of course, I'm not telling others to do the same. I'm only telling,
>>>> for managing my computer, I see no graphical tool that can do
>>>> something I can't do on the CLI. Discovering the CLI is more
>>>> difficult than discovering the GUI, but well, I'm using Linux from
>>>> more than thirty years now and back in those days, the CLI was almost
>>>> mandatory so I'm not discovering it.
>>> 
>>> But you are doing the thing I say to do. You are not contradicting me.
>>> You are running terminals in a GUI. Using CLI editors or GUI editors
>>> doesn't matter. I also use CLI editors, and the command line a lot.
>>> 
>>> What I refuse to do is use the console unless I need to. Console, not
>>> terminal. Different thing. Console is the text mode display.
>>> 
>>> I saw someone at uni using a GUI desktop to edit files in 1987 or
>>> thereabouts. One window for the editor, and another for the program he
>>> was testing. Another terminal for something else. At the time, I only
>>> had MsDOS. I was astonished.
>> 
>> https://www.hanselman.com/blog/whats-the-difference-between-a-console-
a-
>> terminal-and-a-shell
>> 
>> 
>> I agree with "In the software world a Terminal and a Console are, for
>> all intents, synonymous."  I'm old enough that, while I use the terms
>> loosely,
>> a 'terminal' is an ADM-3A.
>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-3A
> 
> Those were indestructible.

They didn't much like being dropped and a .30-06 will punch right through 
the CRT and out the other side.  Shooting old appliances is frowned on 
these days anyway.
> 
> ...

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