Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released

From	Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released
Date	2025-12-16 04:17 +0000
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On 2025-12-15, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On 15 Dec 2025 03:41:23 GMT, Robert Riches wrote:
>
>> On 2025-12-15, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 15 Dec 2025 01:14:22 GMT, Robert Riches wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2025-12-15, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 15 Dec 2025 00:41:17 GMT, Robert Riches wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If by that you mean that Linux has more-or-less unified the
>>>>>> mainstream, I'll wait to pass judgement until I see how much damage
>>>>>> the systemd Trojan horse and Wayla[ni]d do.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don’t know why you see them as causing “damage”. People only use
>>>>> them because they are better than the alternatives -- and those who
>>>>> disagree continue to use something else.
>>>>
>>>> For systemd, by "damage" I mean the first test VM I did with (IIRC)
>>>> Mageia 2 where the freshly installed system hung during boot, then
>>>> after several minutes systemd timed out everything, and the system
>>>> came up on a zombie-like state. Some of the RAIDs had assembled, but
>>>> some had not. The default package list had not installed the tool
>>>> necessary to decrypt the binary journal.
>>>
>>> Sounds like a package-management bug, not a systemd bug. In other
>>> words, a distro problem.
>> 
>> It was not just a package-management bug.
>
> But you said yourself, “the default package list had not installed the 
> tool necessary to decrypt the binary journal”. That’s not right.

The lack of the journal decryption package was only salt in the
wound after the system failed to boot properly, which was the
much bigger problem.

>>>> I also mean the many reports of legitimate bug reports being summarily
>>>> closed as "will not fix".
>>>
>>> Feel free to point out any current examples of these. Remember that, if
>>> the upstream developers will not fix an important bug, somebody else
>>> will, and fork the project if necessary.
>> 
>> After the first issue, my decision is already made.
>
> Still waiting for you to point out specific examples of such important 
> “wontfix” bugs.

I have seen the discussion of 'wontfix' bug reports.  I'm not
aware of a contractual obligation for me to dig through archives
to satisfy your demand for specific examples.

In your first reply to my "how much damage" message, you said,
"Linux is all about choice."  I have made my choice.  It appears
you have made yours.

>> Losing network transparency is a biggie and is sufficiently
>> substantiated.
>
><https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mstoeckl/waypipe/>

Interesting.  Bookmarked.  Thanks.  A skim indicates it might
suffice if I'm ever in a situation that requires it.

-- 
Robert Riches
spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

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Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 00:28 +0000
  Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-12-15 00:41 +0000
    Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 00:45 +0000
      Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-12-15 01:14 +0000
        Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 02:59 +0000
          Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-12-15 03:41 +0000
            Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-15 04:46 +0000
              Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-12-16 04:17 +0000
                Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-12-16 21:52 +0000

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