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On Dec 14, 2025 at 8:41:30 PM MST, "rbowman" wrote
<mq9eb9Fq0keU1@mid.individual.net>:

> On Mon, 15 Dec 2025 01:06:59 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> 
>> On 2025-12-14 12:33, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>> Le 13-12-2025, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> a écrit :
>>>> On 2025-12-13 13:27, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>>>> Now, considering the easiest way to do stuff to manage your computer
>>>>> is another question. I've used successfully the command line to make
>>>>> changes on thousands of files which would have required me hours or
>>>>> days to take care with a graphical tool with. I have no example of
>>>>> stuff which would have been easier with a graphical tool. But for
>>>>> someone who doesn't know the CLI it wouldn't be so easy because he
>>>>> would need to learn the right commands first.
>>>> 
>>>> It is easier to edit scripts in the GUI desktop than it is in the
>>>> console. Renouncing to the GUI desktop is ridiculous.
>>> 
>>> For me, the difference between the GUI and the CLI is the use of the
>>> keyboard or the use of the mouse. Of course, I'm launching my terminals
>>> in GUI. And as a text editor, I'm using neovim. So, I'm always fully
>>> inside a graphical environment but, I'm using CLI as much as possible.
>>> Of course, I won't browse websites with links but I'm using qutebrowser
>>> to be able to use my keyboard on well designed website.
>>> 
>>> Of course, I'm not telling others to do the same. I'm only telling, for
>>> managing my computer, I see no graphical tool that can do something I
>>> can't do on the CLI. Discovering the CLI is more difficult than
>>> discovering the GUI, but well, I'm using Linux from more than thirty
>>> years now and back in those days, the CLI was almost mandatory so I'm
>>> not discovering it.
>> 
>> But you are doing the thing I say to do. You are not contradicting me.
>> You are running terminals in a GUI. Using CLI editors or GUI editors
>> doesn't matter. I also use CLI editors, and the command line a lot.
>> 
>> What I refuse to do is use the console unless I need to. Console, not
>> terminal. Different thing. Console is the text mode display.
>> 
>> I saw someone at uni using a GUI desktop to edit files in 1987 or
>> thereabouts. One window for the editor, and another for the program he
>> was testing. Another terminal for something else. At the time, I only
>> had MsDOS. I was astonished.
> 
> https://www.hanselman.com/blog/whats-the-difference-between-a-console-a-
> terminal-and-a-shell
> 
> 
> I agree with "In the software world a Terminal and a Console are, for all
> intents, synonymous."  I'm old enough that, while I use the terms loosely,
> a 'terminal' is an ADM-3A.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-3A

Those were indestructible.

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