Re: Good Linux to start with

From	Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: Good Linux to start with
Followup-To	comp.os.linux.misc
Date	2011-07-07 01:57 +0200
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On Wednesday 06 July 2011 19:30 in comp.os.linux.misc, The Natural 
Philosopher enlightened humanity with the following words...:

> Aragorn wrote:
>
>> See, GNU/Linux is UNIX - okay, it may not bare the UNIX trademark
>> [...
> 
> 'bear' as in 'grizzly' nmeaning to carry, rather than to render
> naked..

Yes, I know that, but it was either a typo - I type without looking at 
my keyboard, and the characters are the same, albeit in a different 
order - or else my fatigue-related dyslexia kicking in.

In addition to that, I'm not a native English speaker.  Well, for all 
intents and purposes I am, but I mean that I was not raised in English.  
And even people who were raised in English will still make those 
mistakes.  "Bear" and "bare" are homonyms, and I do not think in terms 
of written language, but rather in terms of phonetics.

>> ...] the tendency to want to turn GNU/Linux (and thus a fully-fledged
>> UNIX-family operating system) into a Windows clone - whereas the
>> Windows paradigm is by definition a recipe for disaster - is
>> insidious.  It's the creeping and subliminal danger of making
>> something that works perfectly well for the information-tecnical
>> biosphere we are currently living in into something that was never
>> designed for the hazards and circumstances of this biosphere for the
>> sake of pleasing those who have become addicted to the unsuitable
>> system.
> 
> Yes, and no. For the average single user/administrator I consider that
> its no big deal.

I'm not saying that it would be, for them.  I'm saying that it is, for 
the future of the operating system itself as a platform.  Many of the 
people currently developing for GNU/Linux come from the Windows world, 
whereas twenty years ago, they came from the UNIX world.

>> Or perhaps I should put it differently...  UNIX is a multiuser
>> paradigm.  It works.  Windows is a single-user paradigm, which does
>> not work [*]. So people are trying to turn something that works into
>> something that doesn't work, because they're addicted to the paradigm
>> of the latter.
> 
> I dont see it in that light. I see it as making the switch from 'user'
> to 'administrator' reasonably secure and seamless and easy..

I know you do, which is why I said that your vision is ad hoc - no 
insult intended -  whereas mine is with concern for the further 
direction of development of the operating system.

> Agreed it was never even there on early windows systems.

Not even the separation between userspace and kernelspace was there in 
early windows systems.  Up until Windows Millenium Edition, everything 
simply ran in ring 0, alias kernel mode.  And in Microsoft's Singularity 
operating system, only the hardware drivers run in kernel mode, and the 
rest of the system, kernel included, runs in userspace... as bytecode.

Rumor has it that Singularity will become the basis for a future Windows 
version - possibly Windows 8 - so that should be a hoot.  Especially if 
you know how slow bytecode is.  Just look at Java. ;-)

-- 
Aragorn
(registered GNU/Linux user #223157)

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  Re: Good Linux to start with John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2011-07-03 20:53 -0500
  Re: Good Linux to start with bosco <boscopelone@yahoo.com> - 2011-07-03 21:16 -0600
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  Re: Good Linux to start with Dan C <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> - 2011-07-04 03:28 +0000
    Re: Good Linux to start with Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2011-07-04 12:04 -0400
      Re: Good Linux to start with Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2011-07-04 23:07 +0200
  Re: Good Linux to start with David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2011-07-04 10:15 +0200
  Re: Good Linux to start with Bob Henson <rh547477@gmail.com> - 2011-07-04 10:00 +0100
  Re: Good Linux to start with Torsten Mueller <dev-null@shared-files.de> - 2011-07-04 11:10 +0200
    Re: Good Linux to start with Balwinder S Dheeman <bsd.SANSPAM@anu.homelinux.net> - 2011-07-04 16:11 +0530
  Re: Good Linux to start with Richard Kimber <richardkimber@btinternet.com> - 2011-07-04 06:59 -0500
    Re: Good Linux to start with The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-07-04 13:35 +0100
      Re: Good Linux to start with David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2011-07-04 15:25 +0200
    Re: Good Linux to start with Mark <i@dontgetlotsofspamanymore.invalid> - 2011-07-05 11:41 +0100
  Re: Good Linux to start with jmclnx@SPAMisBADgmail.com (Jack McCue) - 2011-07-04 12:50 +0000
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  Re: Good Linux to start with Stefan Patric <not@this.address.com> - 2011-07-04 17:23 +0000
    Re: Good Linux to start with Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2011-07-05 07:39 +0200
      Re: Good Linux to start with JohnT <john@example.com> - 2011-07-05 07:52 +0000
        Re: Good Linux to start with Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2011-07-05 15:51 +0000
        Re: Good Linux to start with Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2011-07-06 03:46 +0200
          Re: Good Linux to start with "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> - 2011-07-07 22:35 +0200
            Re: Good Linux to start with Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2011-07-07 23:06 +0200
              Re: Good Linux to start with "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> - 2011-07-08 13:44 +0200
                Re: Good Linux to start with Hans Georg Schaathun <hg@schaathun.net> - 2011-07-13 08:58 +0100
                Re: Good Linux to start with Mark <i@dontgetlotsofspamanymore.invalid> - 2011-07-13 09:41 +0100
                Re: Good Linux to start with Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2011-07-13 10:07 +0100
                Re: Good Linux to start with Hans Georg Schaathun <hg@schaathun.net> - 2011-07-13 12:46 +0100
                Re: Good Linux to start with Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2011-07-13 13:47 +0100
                Re: Good Linux to start with Hans Georg Schaathun <hg@schaathun.net> - 2011-07-13 14:20 +0100
                Re: Good Linux to start with Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2011-07-13 15:26 +0100
                Re: Good Linux to start with John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2011-07-13 07:37 -0500
                Re: Good Linux to start with Hans Georg Schaathun <hg@schaathun.net> - 2011-07-13 14:16 +0100
                Re: Good Linux to start with The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-07-13 14:35 +0100
                Re: Good Linux to start with Hans Georg Schaathun <hg@schaathun.net> - 2011-07-13 15:13 +0100
                Re: Good Linux to start with Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2011-07-13 16:36 +0100
            Re: Good Linux to start with Mark <i@dontgetlotsofspamanymore.invalid> - 2011-07-08 08:53 +0100
              Re: Good Linux to start with "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> - 2011-07-08 14:09 +0200
  Re: Good Linux to start with Anton Meyninger <anton.meyninger@gmail.com> - 2011-07-05 13:07 +0200
    Re: Good Linux to start with Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2011-07-06 03:52 +0200
      Re: Good Linux to start with The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-07-06 12:16 +0100
        Re: Good Linux to start with Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2011-07-06 19:10 +0200
          Re: Good Linux to start with The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-07-06 18:30 +0100
            Re: Good Linux to start with Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2011-07-07 01:57 +0200
              Re: Good Linux to start with Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2011-07-07 03:26 +0000
                Re: Good Linux to start with The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-07-07 05:48 +0100
                Re: Good Linux to start with Balwinder S Dheeman <bsd.SANSPAM@anu.homelinux.net> - 2011-07-07 11:15 +0530
                Re: Good Linux to start with The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-07-07 07:14 +0100
              Re: Good Linux to start with The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-07-07 05:45 +0100
              Re: Good Linux to start with Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2011-07-07 09:53 +0100
                Re: Good Linux to start with Mark <i@dontgetlotsofspamanymore.invalid> - 2011-07-07 10:41 +0100
                Re: Good Linux to start with Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2011-07-07 11:32 +0100
                Re: Good Linux to start with The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-07-07 13:49 +0100
                Re: Good Linux to start with Mark <i@dontgetlotsofspamanymore.invalid> - 2011-07-07 15:01 +0100
                Re: Good Linux to start with The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-07-07 15:16 +0100
                Re: Good Linux to start with "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> - 2011-07-07 23:04 +0200
                Re: Good Linux to start with Mark <i@dontgetlotsofspamanymore.invalid> - 2011-07-08 08:58 +0100
                Re: Good Linux to start with "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> - 2011-07-08 14:19 +0200
                Re: Good Linux to start with The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-07-08 13:44 +0100
                Re: Good Linux to start with Mark <i@dontgetlotsofspamanymore.invalid> - 2011-07-11 09:39 +0100
                Re: Good Linux to start with blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-07-10 19:02 +0000
                Re: Good Linux to start with blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-07-10 19:01 +0000
            Re: Good Linux to start with Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2011-07-07 03:16 +0000
              Re: Good Linux to start with The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-07-07 05:47 +0100
                Re: Good Linux to start with Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2011-07-07 05:00 +0000
          Re: Good Linux to start with "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> - 2011-07-07 22:42 +0200
            Re: Good Linux to start with Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2011-07-07 23:41 +0200
              Re: Good Linux to start with "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> - 2011-07-08 14:07 +0200
                Re: Good Linux to start with Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2011-07-09 02:05 +0200
                Re: Good Linux to start with "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> - 2011-07-09 21:10 +0200
                Re: Good Linux to start with Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2011-07-10 02:16 +0200
                Re: Good Linux to start with Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2011-07-10 10:42 +0100
                Re: Good Linux to start with Aragorn <stryder@telenet.be.invalid> - 2011-07-11 05:03 +0200
                Re: Good Linux to start with The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-07-11 08:23 +0100
                Re: Good Linux to start with Mark <i@dontgetlotsofspamanymore.invalid> - 2011-07-11 09:52 +0100
                Re: Good Linux to start with Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2011-07-11 11:16 +0100
                Re: Good Linux to start with Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2011-07-10 03:49 +0000
                Re: Good Linux to start with "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> - 2011-07-11 13:56 +0200
                Re: Good Linux to start with blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-07-11 22:31 +0000
                Re: Good Linux to start with "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-usenet2@hjp.at> - 2011-07-12 15:30 +0200
                Re: Good Linux to start with blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2011-07-12 22:28 +0000
  Re: Good Linux to start with Feranija <feranija@net...> - 2011-07-06 11:37 -0700
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