Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature

From	D <nospam@example.net>
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Subject	Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature
Date	2024-05-09 11:33 +0200
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On Wed, 8 May 2024, Grant Taylor wrote:

> On 5/8/24 04:53, D wrote:
>> Reminds me of when I was administering a bunch of power servers with AIX on 
>> them. No bash as far as the eye could see.
>
> Yep.
>
>> A more senior consultant at that time, told me he always installed some 
>> private guys gnu utils on every AIX machine he administered.
>
> If I have the option I prefer to install sudo (not all systems I administer 
> have it, but most do), Zsh, vim, and git.  That encompasses most of my 
> interactive shell environment and allows me to feel at home. --  HOWEVER, I 
> do so through proper change approval process.  I don't do it if it's not 
> approved.
>
>> I remember thinking that it did feel a bit insecure, but that was the way 
>> they did it.
>
> I don't know.  It would be highly situationally dependent.  The security is 
> only one aspect.  A manageable an modicum of risk may be well worth it if the 
> tool helps reduce errors and / or makes things considerably faster.
>
> Contrary to what a co-worker thinks and says, a LOT of GNU tools are 
> installed by default with the AIX Base OS (BOS) from IBM.  More are included 
> as optional components.  If it was something on the DVDs from IBM, it's 
> probably okay.  My co-worker derogatorily refers to it as "shareware" with 
> disdain in his voice.  I haven't pointed out to him yet that ssh is what he 
> calls shareware.

Ahh but that was the thing. This was not IBM provided, but some guys 
private online repository. That's what made me feel a bit uneasy about it. 
Of course I assume that guy is/was as good as it gets (well I did at 
least, since the guy who told me to do it that way was very senior) but 
today I wouldn't be so quick to install from a private repository.

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Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-05 23:17 +0000
  Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-06 08:24 +0100
    Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-05-06 10:00 +0200
    Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-06 08:11 +0000
      Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> - 2024-05-06 10:50 +0200
        Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-06 11:42 +0100
          Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> - 2024-05-06 15:09 +0200
            Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-05-06 19:29 +0200
            Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2024-05-06 13:56 -0500
            Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-06 20:35 +0100
        Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-06 21:56 +0000
      Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-06 11:39 +0100
        Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-05-06 14:00 +0042
          Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature John McCue <jmccue@magnetar.jmcunx.com> - 2024-05-06 17:15 +0000
            Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-05-06 23:18 +0000
              Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-05-07 09:34 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-07 08:50 +0100
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Joe Beanfish <joebeanfish@nospam.duh> - 2024-05-07 15:32 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-05-07 20:25 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-08 10:53 +0100
        Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature G <g@nowhere.invalid> - 2024-05-06 17:29 +0000
        Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-06 21:58 +0000
          Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-07 08:28 +0100
    Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-05-06 09:32 +0100
      Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-06 11:41 +0100
        Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2024-05-06 13:55 -0500
        Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-05-06 20:08 +0100
          Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2024-05-06 19:11 -0500
            Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-07 16:29 +0100
              Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2024-05-07 14:19 -0500
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-07 23:01 +0100
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-07 23:00 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-08 10:58 +0100
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-08 18:48 +0100
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-08 19:59 +0100
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-08 23:20 +0100
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-05-08 23:01 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-08 20:49 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-09 13:01 +0100
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-09 22:49 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-10 17:16 +0100
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-10 21:24 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-11 09:00 +0100
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-11 08:47 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-11 10:14 +0100
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-11 21:14 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-12 00:16 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-12 01:53 +0100
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-12 02:37 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-12 12:51 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-12 20:48 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-13 11:42 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-13 22:45 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-14 21:22 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-27 08:16 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-27 16:13 +0100
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-05-28 13:11 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-28 12:18 +0100
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-28 15:27 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-05-28 18:11 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-28 23:06 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-12 19:21 +0100
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-12 20:48 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-13 11:43 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-13 12:20 +0100
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-13 22:45 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-14 21:21 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-17 07:49 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-18 00:33 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-13 12:10 +0100
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                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-12 19:33 +0100
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-12 21:42 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-13 11:41 +0100
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                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-11 11:31 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-11 12:04 +0100
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-11 21:17 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-12 01:51 +0100
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-12 12:42 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-12 19:29 +0100
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-12 00:45 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-12 12:36 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-12 15:21 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-12 21:39 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-12 20:49 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-13 11:43 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-14 00:40 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-14 21:22 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-17 07:47 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-18 00:33 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-27 06:50 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-12 19:22 +0100
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-12 21:40 +0200
        Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-06 22:00 +0000
          Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-07 08:59 +0200
            Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2024-05-07 14:20 -0500
              Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-08 11:52 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2024-05-08 10:51 -0500
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-05-08 20:32 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-08 22:07 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2024-05-08 20:32 -0500
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-05-09 11:06 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2024-05-08 20:31 -0500
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-05-09 11:08 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-05-09 17:20 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2024-05-09 17:59 -0500
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-05-14 03:42 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-08 22:51 +0200
            Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2024-07-06 18:18 -0400
          Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-07 07:19 +0000
          Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-05-07 16:00 +0000
            Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2024-05-07 14:21 -0500
              Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-08 11:53 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-08 20:47 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-09 11:29 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-09 22:51 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-10 11:38 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-10 21:25 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-11 11:30 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2024-07-06 18:25 -0400
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2024-05-08 20:38 -0500
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-09 11:33 +0200
              Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-05-08 15:20 +0000
            Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-07 22:06 +0000
              Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-05-08 15:20 +0000
        Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-05-07 14:20 -0700
          Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-08 08:27 +0200
            Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2024-05-08 20:44 -0500
              Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-09 09:07 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2024-05-09 18:36 -0500
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-10 09:11 +0200
      Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2024-05-06 13:53 -0500
        Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-05-06 20:00 +0100
          Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2024-05-06 19:13 -0500
          Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-07 09:26 +0200
      Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-05-06 19:43 +0000
      Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Woozy Song <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> - 2024-05-07 13:35 +0800

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