Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature

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Subject	Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature
Date	2024-05-11 21:17 +0200
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On Sat, 11 May 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 11/05/2024 10:31, D wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, 10 May 2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> 
>>> On Fri, 10 May 2024 17:16:15 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 09/05/2024 23:49, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
>>>> 
>>>> Try telling that to climate change [scientists]...
>>> 
>>> They have evidence. You don’t.
>>> 
>> 
>> No they don't. Seriously, they don't. I think you are trapped by the 
>> eco-fascist propaganda Lawrence.
>
> And that is the problem. There is a conjecture - one of many possible - that 
> purports to explain the 'facts'.
> But the problem of induction, means that there are an infinite number of 
> conjectures that could explain the data, even if the data was clean, 
> plentiful  and unambiguous, which it isn't.
> And the current conjecture fits the data so badly that its  excused by the 
> fallacious 'precautionary principle' to justify doing stuff that cannot work 
> 'in case' they are in fact right.
>
> Another conjecture, that they dont understand how climate works at all, and 
> something else is in play, is simply disregarded, because it doesn't lead to 
> sales of greenCrap™ and research money for academics.
>
> Turkeys don't vote for Christmas and 'climate scientists' don't vote for 
> 'natural causes'.
>
> Nor do the mass of ArtStudents who have leapt on the media bandwagon or the 
> companies that sell greenCrap or the politicians trying to make careers out 
> of it.
>
> Its a trillion dollar boondoggle.
>
> All based on just one conjecture, that has in fact been demonstrated to be 
> false.
>
> A most convenient lie, however.

Wow, way more articulate than I usually see. Do you have a blog or 
something where you expand on your brief summary above?

Also, honest question, why do you think the precautionary principle is 
fallacious? I have vague memories from my philosophy studies that someone 
looked into it, but vague is an overstatement, so can for the life of me 
not remember.

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Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-05 23:17 +0000
  Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-06 08:24 +0100
    Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-05-06 10:00 +0200
    Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-06 08:11 +0000
      Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> - 2024-05-06 10:50 +0200
        Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-06 11:42 +0100
          Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> - 2024-05-06 15:09 +0200
            Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-05-06 19:29 +0200
            Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2024-05-06 13:56 -0500
            Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-06 20:35 +0100
        Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-06 21:56 +0000
      Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-06 11:39 +0100
        Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-05-06 14:00 +0042
          Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature John McCue <jmccue@magnetar.jmcunx.com> - 2024-05-06 17:15 +0000
            Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-05-06 23:18 +0000
              Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-05-07 09:34 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-07 08:50 +0100
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Joe Beanfish <joebeanfish@nospam.duh> - 2024-05-07 15:32 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-05-07 20:25 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-08 10:53 +0100
        Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature G <g@nowhere.invalid> - 2024-05-06 17:29 +0000
        Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-06 21:58 +0000
          Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-07 08:28 +0100
    Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-05-06 09:32 +0100
      Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-06 11:41 +0100
        Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2024-05-06 13:55 -0500
        Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-05-06 20:08 +0100
          Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2024-05-06 19:11 -0500
            Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-07 16:29 +0100
              Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2024-05-07 14:19 -0500
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-07 23:01 +0100
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-07 23:00 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-08 10:58 +0100
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-08 18:48 +0100
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-08 19:59 +0100
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-08 23:20 +0100
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-05-08 23:01 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-08 20:49 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-09 13:01 +0100
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-09 22:49 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-10 17:16 +0100
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-10 21:24 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-11 09:00 +0100
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-11 08:47 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-11 10:14 +0100
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-11 21:14 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-12 00:16 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-12 01:53 +0100
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-12 02:37 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-12 12:51 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-12 20:48 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-13 11:42 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-13 22:45 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-14 21:22 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-27 08:16 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-27 16:13 +0100
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-05-28 13:11 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-28 12:18 +0100
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-28 15:27 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-05-28 18:11 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-28 23:06 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-12 19:21 +0100
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-12 20:48 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-13 11:43 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-13 12:20 +0100
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-13 22:45 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-14 21:21 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-17 07:49 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-18 00:33 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-13 12:10 +0100
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-12 12:44 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-12 19:33 +0100
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-12 21:42 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-13 11:41 +0100
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-14 20:49 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-11 11:31 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-11 12:04 +0100
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-11 21:17 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-12 01:51 +0100
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-12 12:42 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-12 19:29 +0100
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-12 00:45 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-12 12:36 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-12 15:21 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-12 21:39 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-12 20:49 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-13 11:43 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-14 00:40 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-14 21:22 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-17 07:47 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-18 00:33 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-27 06:50 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-12 19:22 +0100
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-12 21:40 +0200
        Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-06 22:00 +0000
          Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-07 08:59 +0200
            Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2024-05-07 14:20 -0500
              Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-08 11:52 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2024-05-08 10:51 -0500
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-05-08 20:32 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-08 22:07 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2024-05-08 20:32 -0500
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-05-09 11:06 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2024-05-08 20:31 -0500
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-05-09 11:08 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-05-09 17:20 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2024-05-09 17:59 -0500
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-05-14 03:42 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-08 22:51 +0200
            Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2024-07-06 18:18 -0400
          Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-07 07:19 +0000
          Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-05-07 16:00 +0000
            Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2024-05-07 14:21 -0500
              Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-08 11:53 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-08 20:47 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-09 11:29 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-09 22:51 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-10 11:38 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-10 21:25 +0000
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-11 11:30 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2024-07-06 18:25 -0400
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2024-05-08 20:38 -0500
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-09 11:33 +0200
              Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-05-08 15:20 +0000
            Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-07 22:06 +0000
              Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-05-08 15:20 +0000
        Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2024-05-07 14:20 -0700
          Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-08 08:27 +0200
            Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2024-05-08 20:44 -0500
              Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-09 09:07 +0200
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2024-05-09 18:36 -0500
                Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-10 09:11 +0200
      Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2024-05-06 13:53 -0500
        Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-05-06 20:00 +0100
          Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2024-05-06 19:13 -0500
          Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-07 09:26 +0200
      Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-05-06 19:43 +0000
      Re: Yet Another New systemd Feature Woozy Song <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> - 2024-05-07 13:35 +0800

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