Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?)

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On Fri, 17 Jan 2025, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

>> Hmm, I think going full circle is then the way to go. Dig up a concept that 
>> has been forgotten for a 100 years or so, and perhaps it will be nice and 
>> fresh! ;)
>
>
>  Not a bad idea - although even using that would ultimately
>  be 'derivative'.

Sadly yes.

>  There was some good pop music 100+ ago - including early
>  jazz/blues adaptations like 'ragtime'. COULD be kinda
>  punched-up.

The wife loves jazz. Speaking of "new" I gave her an LP with Jan Johansson
called Jazz på svenska. It's a jazzification of old swedish folk melodies. Quite
relaxing, calm and melancholic. Kind of mirrors the swedish temperament I would
say.

>  Humans are 'creative' - but not infinitely creative.
>  Once in a while we'll hit on something 'new' - but,
>  due to exposure/recordings that's getting more rare.
>
>  I recall Paul Simon going to Africa in order to find
>  some 'new' sounds. Some of it worked, some didn't.
>
>
>> Two books on that theme are Flatland which is about a 2d world and adding a 
>> few dimensions instead, there was a book by Greg Egan I think, which was 
>> about uploaded virtual entities. Cannot remember the name at the moment. I 
>> like that concept! I'm currently watching season 2 of pantheon, and it's 
>> going downhill. In the virtual world they are using way too many physical 
>> shortcuts to illustrate fights etc. It can of course be argued that the 
>> brains of the virtual entities have not yet adapter, but I think that's a 
>> lazy excuse. It would be interesting to think about if it would be possible 
>> to represent virtual uploaded entities in a way that might make them seem 
>> more native to their world, instead of just reusing our physical world for 
>> easy comprehension.
>
>
>  "FlatLand" is one of my faves. A much later writer did
>  "SphereLand" - delving into four dimensions.

It was on my christmas reading list, but I forgot it in sweden when I migrated
back to eastern europe. Very annoying! It is not a long read. Well, in april
I'll be able to read it.

>  What does a passing hypersphere look like ... like a
>  dot, then a bigger and bigger sphere - then a smaller
>  and smaller sphere - disappearing as a dot  :-)
>
>  You'll have to look it up ... there was an author,
>  late 19th or early 20th, who made a book mostly
>  full of figures/drawings he claimed - after close
>  study - would help people wrap their brains around
>  4th dimensional shapes.

My philosophy professors father claimed to be able to visualize 4d. My
philosophy professor thought it was one of his fathers jokes.

>> Easy! Meta-multiverse,
>
>  I call that "hyper-verse" or "poly-verse". We can more
>  easily imagine many, maybe millions, of other universes
>  spawned at the same time as ours, separate only by 4-D
>  barriers. But what if there are entire TREES of those,
>  no tree even remotely connected/nearby OUR tree ???

I've had similar ideas. Another fun idea is to imagine that there's no time, and
that everything, all history, always was there. Time is just a way for our minds
to deal with it in a rational way.

>  3.x-D universes smell of some kind of leak/defect/bubble
>  in the 10+ dimensional matrix. Kinda like a pot of
>  water on a stove, the 10-D starts making lower-D
>  "bubbles". Probably won't last forever, but forever
>  IS a kinda long time.
>
>  Where'd the 10+ D come from ? Dunno. Don't really
>  care. 'Causality' may mean nothing there. Best
>  to just say it IS there and if it wasn't then we
>  wouldn't be asking stupid questions.
>
>  Turtles all the way down .......

Someone should really interview those turtles some day. They seem to be involved
in a lot of stuff!

>> that's where the fun will be! Multiverse is for nerds! ;) Teilhardt de 
>> Jardin (or however it is spelled) tried a nice merge of spirituality and 
>> sci fi, and I just finished reading Radio free albemuth which had a nice 
>> sci fi take on christianity. Was interesting to read up on the story that 
>> parts of it are actually auto biographical from the point of view of Philip 
>> K. Dick.
>
>  Not into 'spiritual' stuff since I was like 9. Had
>  one of those 'epiphany' things where all the whirring
>  bits momentarily fall in line and you can see through
>  to the (relatively boring/unromantic) truth.

Ah! I am very interested in the truth! What is the truth? What did you realize?

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