The Joys of Motorola

From	Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	The Joys of Motorola
Date	2025-01-12 14:40 +0000
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On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 21:57:29 -0000 (UTC), Rich wrote:
>> Other reasons that have been reported are:
>> 
>> 1) IBM required any "outside IBM" chips to be second sourced.  Intel
>> already had AMD as an official licenced second source for the 8088 chip,
>> Motorola did not (yet) have any second source for the 68000.
>> 
>> 2) Intel had the chip on the market, and could supply the production
>> volume (or so they claimed to IBM) IBM wanted.  Motorola had
>> "pre-production" versions of the 68000 available for 'breadboarding'
>> but it had not yet entered full production at the time IBM was selecting
>> a CPU to use (and IIRC, was not planned to enter full production until
>> after IBM had planned to release their new "PC").

On 2025-01-12, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> Both are believable. Even for the older microcontrollers Motorola had a 
> bad reputation for hanging you out to dry if they reverted to their roots 
> and got an order for millions of pieces from the automotive industry.

I think it was 1981 that Motorola announced the LANCE chip, which made
Ethernet practical. Lots of companies designed products around it, but
in the end it was 2 years late to ship production quantities.

I was at ACC (Associated Computer Consultants, later Advanced Computer
Communications). Larry Green, their top designer, left to start CMC
(Communications Machinery Corporation) to build Ethernet cards to
real-time systems, primarily VersaBus. Since they could not get
even evaluation quantities of actual LANCE chips, they designed a LANCE
emulator board (something like 30 x 50 centimeter size) to plug into the
boards they were designing to test the boards and the software drivers
for the boards. While they were building an inventory of pruduct boards
with an empty socket where the LANCE would go, the only thing they had to
sell was the EMULATOR, which they then sold at at good price to the
other vendors of products for mostly different buses.

This must have fresh in the minds of whoever would be choosing
arhitectures for new computers.

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                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-15 10:59 +0000
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                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-15 22:47 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-16 00:48 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-16 10:26 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-16 17:05 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-17 00:25 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-17 10:47 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-17 22:50 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-18 10:45 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-18 11:50 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-16 22:04 +0000
                Tribes and Ethnicities Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-01-16 13:30 +0000
                Re: Tribes and Ethnicities Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-01-16 20:36 +0200
                Re: Tribes and Ethnicities The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-16 18:50 +0000
                Re: Tribes and Ethnicities D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-16 21:15 +0100
                Re: Tribes and Ethnicities The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-17 10:41 +0000
                Re: Tribes and Ethnicities D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-17 16:47 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-16 17:01 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-16 22:07 +0000
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                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-16 22:02 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-16 11:53 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-16 21:55 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-17 10:22 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-15 22:45 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-16 00:57 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-16 17:03 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-16 21:59 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-17 10:47 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-16 10:24 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-16 21:56 +0000
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                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-17 10:46 +0000
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                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-16 21:52 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-17 10:21 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-17 10:43 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-17 23:06 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-18 10:48 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-18 19:39 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-19 11:46 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-01-19 18:11 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-19 23:03 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-19 13:16 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-19 18:42 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-16 08:08 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-16 21:58 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-17 10:26 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-13 10:40 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-12 21:27 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-01-13 05:14 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-13 04:02 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-13 10:35 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-13 10:33 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-13 22:07 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-13 10:28 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-13 22:38 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-14 20:46 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-15 01:37 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-15 10:00 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-16 04:14 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-16 10:33 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-16 17:08 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-16 17:03 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-16 22:01 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-17 10:27 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-13 10:29 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-13 22:26 +0000
                Biker Gangs Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-01-14 17:43 +0000
                Re: Biker Gangs D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-14 22:02 +0100
                Re: Biker Gangs rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-15 02:11 +0000
                Re: Biker Gangs D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-15 10:04 +0100
                Re: Biker Gangs The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-15 10:50 +0000
                Re: Biker Gangs D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-15 18:54 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-14 19:46 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 10:54 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-12 11:54 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-12 21:13 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-13 10:26 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-13 21:53 +0000
                Culture clashes in Manufacturing and elsewhere Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-01-14 17:40 +0000
                Re: Culture clashes in Manufacturing and elsewhere rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-15 01:57 +0000
                Re: Culture clashes in Manufacturing and elsewhere "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-15 00:29 -0500
                Re: Culture clashes in Manufacturing and elsewhere rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-15 06:27 +0000
                Re: Culture clashes in Manufacturing and elsewhere "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-15 01:51 -0500
                Re: Culture clashes in Manufacturing and elsewhere D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-15 10:11 +0100
                Re: Culture clashes in Manufacturing and elsewhere rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-15 23:06 +0000
                Re: Culture clashes in Manufacturing and elsewhere D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-16 11:56 +0100
                Re: Culture clashes in Manufacturing and elsewhere "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-15 23:39 -0500
                Re: Culture clashes in Manufacturing and elsewhere D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-16 16:51 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-14 19:31 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-14 19:39 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-11 20:01 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-12 00:44 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-12 02:55 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-12 11:59 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-12 21:15 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-13 10:26 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-08 18:13 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-09 18:01 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-08 13:55 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-08 14:00 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-08 14:25 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Beavis <beavis@corn.holio> - 2025-01-09 04:16 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-09 10:34 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-09 10:38 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-09 11:27 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-09 11:34 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-09 11:51 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-10 02:23 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-09 11:31 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-09 11:47 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-09 12:12 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-09 18:56 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-01-08 19:57 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-08 12:04 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-09 17:46 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-07 10:16 +0000
              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-07 11:47 +0100
          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-01-06 18:35 +0000
          Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-07 11:43 +0100
            Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-07 11:09 +0000
              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-07 19:06 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-07 19:29 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-08 01:25 +0000
              Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-08 10:54 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-08 13:52 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-08 13:22 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-08 09:02 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-08 15:34 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-08 11:32 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-08 18:14 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-08 15:00 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-08 20:19 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-09 00:16 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-09 10:11 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-09 00:00 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-09 11:16 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-09 18:30 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-11 12:47 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-11 12:28 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-09 00:50 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-09 17:52 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-01-09 17:43 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-09 18:46 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-11 12:42 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-11 12:27 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-12 00:41 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 10:51 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-12 19:33 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 20:26 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-13 10:17 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-13 12:02 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-13 20:50 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-13 22:48 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-14 21:54 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-01-14 00:48 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-14 21:57 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-16 04:15 -0500
                The Joys of African (and other 3rd world) construction projects Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-01-12 14:15 +0000
                Re: The Joys of African (and other 3rd world) construction projects D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-12 19:47 +0100
                Re: The Joys of African (and other 3rd world) construction projects Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-01-13 14:17 +0000
                Re: The Joys of African (and other 3rd world) construction projects D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-13 21:59 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-09 00:04 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-09 11:18 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-09 18:33 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-09 15:38 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-10 07:27 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-10 03:34 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-10 09:09 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-11 01:15 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-11 12:15 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-10 07:12 -0500
                Diversity - good or bad ? Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-01-10 21:17 +0000
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-10 22:45 +0000
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-01-11 01:11 +0000
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-01-11 05:23 +0200
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-11 00:48 -0500
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-11 07:02 +0000
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-11 09:00 -0500
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-11 19:50 +0000
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-11 19:19 -0500
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-12 02:02 +0000
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-11 22:19 -0500
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-12 06:51 +0000
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 11:09 +0000
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-12 20:46 +0000
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 20:48 +0000
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-13 00:43 +0000
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 11:05 +0000
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-12 11:49 +0100
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? Joerg Walther <joerg.walther@magenta.de> - 2025-01-12 14:06 +0100
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-12 19:40 +0100
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-01-12 13:46 +0000
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 14:00 +0000
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-01-12 14:52 +0000
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) root <NoEMail@home.org> - 2025-01-12 17:09 +0000
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-12 19:42 +0100
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-12 23:51 -0500
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-13 10:32 +0100
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-13 23:03 +0000
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2025-01-14 00:52 +0000
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-14 04:13 +0000
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-16 04:18 -0500
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-14 21:55 +0100
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-13 21:11 -0500
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-01-14 12:28 +0000
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-14 22:00 +0100
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-14 23:15 -0500
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-15 10:07 +0100
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-01-15 06:16 +0000
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-01-15 06:18 +0000
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-15 10:13 +0100
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-16 00:28 -0500
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-01-16 11:27 +0000
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-16 14:39 +0000
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-17 01:01 -0500
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-17 11:10 +0000
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-17 23:30 -0500
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-16 16:57 +0100
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-16 20:59 +0000
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-17 10:15 +0100
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-17 19:40 +0000
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-18 11:40 +0100
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-18 19:42 +0000
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-19 11:44 +0100
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-17 01:41 -0500
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-17 10:55 +0100
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-17 19:44 +0000
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-18 11:41 +0100
                Scandinavian Humor and Other Myths Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-01-18 14:46 +0000
                Re: Scandinavian Humor and Other Myths The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-18 15:03 +0000
                Re: Scandinavian Humor and Other Myths D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-18 18:07 +0100
                Re: Scandinavian Humor and Other Myths rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-18 19:36 +0000
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2025-01-12 18:53 +0000
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-01-13 13:06 +0000
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2025-01-13 16:17 +0000
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-13 20:51 +0100
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 20:23 +0000
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-01-13 13:40 +0000
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-13 17:08 +0000
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-13 00:31 -0500
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-13 06:33 +0000
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) root <NoEMail@home.org> - 2025-01-12 17:06 +0000
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2025-01-12 18:53 +0000
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-13 10:16 +0100
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-13 10:51 +0000
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-13 20:48 +0100
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2025-01-13 16:17 +0000
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 20:24 +0000
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-12 21:32 +0000
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2025-01-12 21:47 +0000
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-01-13 02:41 +0000
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) root <NoEMail@home.org> - 2025-01-13 03:00 +0000
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-01-13 13:47 +0000
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-13 22:56 +0000
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-12 23:29 -0500
                Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-13 06:24 +0000
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 10:23 +0000
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-12 00:44 +0100
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-12 02:10 +0000
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-12 11:53 +0100
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-12 21:03 +0000
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 10:56 +0000
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-11 12:13 +0000
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-11 09:21 -0500
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-11 14:58 +0000
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-12 00:44 +0100
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 11:03 +0000
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-12 19:36 +0100
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 20:30 +0000
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-13 10:20 +0100
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-13 04:32 -0500
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-13 12:03 +0000
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-12 23:42 -0500
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-13 10:38 +0000
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-01-13 13:11 +0000
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-11 12:04 +0000
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-11 19:52 +0000
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-11 19:21 -0500
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-12 02:23 +0000
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-11 23:00 -0500
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-12 06:59 +0000
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 10:46 +0000
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-12 20:54 +0000
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 10:44 +0000
                Re: Diversity - good or bad ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 10:39 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-10 22:15 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-11 12:06 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-11 20:00 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-01-11 21:57 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-12 02:33 +0000
                The Joys of Motorola Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-01-12 14:40 +0000
                Re: The Joys of Motorola rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-13 00:19 +0000
                Re: The Joys of Motorola "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-13 03:56 -0500
                Re: The Joys of Motorola rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-13 23:46 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-11 19:38 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-12 02:46 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-11 23:08 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-12 07:05 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-01-12 12:07 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 12:23 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-12 21:19 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-13 00:21 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-13 06:17 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-13 03:23 -0500
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-01-14 03:42 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-14 03:59 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-11 12:48 +0100
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-11 12:29 +0000
                Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-12 00:41 +0100
      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-05 22:42 +0000
        Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-05 18:01 -0500
  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-04 15:51 -0600
    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-05 00:46 +0000
      Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2025-01-04 23:31 -0500
    Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-05 13:03 +0100
  Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-01-05 12:57 +0100

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