Re: More systemdCrap

From	D <nospam@example.net>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: More systemdCrap
Date	2025-03-11 22:37 +0100
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On Tue, 11 Mar 2025, Pancho wrote:

> On 3/11/25 14:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 11/03/2025 12:33, David W. Hodgins wrote:
>>> On Tue, 11 Mar 2025 03:58:44 -0400, The Natural Philosopher 
>>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 10/03/2025 22:28, John Ames wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 10 Mar 2025 23:14:19 +0100
>>>>> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Nothing is broken, it has been intentionally designed this way
>>>>> 
>>>>> Okay, sure - but that design is stupid.
>>>>> 
>>>> Exactly.
>>>> 
>>>> Journalctl should be able to take the One True Logfile and scan it,
>>>> rewriting items to be retained and discarding items to be deleted .
>>> 
>>> In other words make it as easy as possible for an inttruder to cover any 
>>> trace of their
>>> activities.
>>> 
>>> Great log that would be for determining what an intruder did.
>>> 
>> Dont you think any intruder would not already have written a journalctl to 
>> do exactly that?
>> Sheesh
>> 
>
> Carlos has already suggested that there might be a method to 
> cryptographically sign the logs, making alterations very difficult, even to a 
> privileged user.
>
> The basic pattern for immutable audit logs is mature due to the requirements 
> of financial systems. Whether systemd have implemented a reliable system or 
> not, I don't know, but they could.

It is very simple. You write it to WORM storage, or burn it to a disc. 
That's it. It's not really rocket science.

In military intelligence circles, they work with data diods as well to 
limit traffic.



>
>
>>> Regards, Dave Hodgins
>> 
>
>

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More systemdCrap The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-10 16:29 +0000
  Re: More systemdCrap Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2025-03-10 14:12 -0400
    Re: More systemdCrap The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-10 18:40 +0000
      Re: More systemdCrap "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-10 19:45 +0100
        Re: More systemdCrap The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-10 20:50 +0000
          Re: More systemdCrap "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-10 23:14 +0100
            Re: More systemdCrap John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-03-10 15:28 -0700
              Re: More systemdCrap The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-11 07:58 +0000
                Re: More systemdCrap "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-11 13:17 +0100
                Re: More systemdCrap The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-11 14:50 +0000
                Re: More systemdCrap "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-11 15:59 +0100
                Re: More systemdCrap The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-11 15:29 +0000
                Re: More systemdCrap John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-03-11 08:41 -0700
                Re: More systemdCrap D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-11 22:36 +0100
                Re: More systemdCrap Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-11 23:47 +0000
                Re: More systemdCrap Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-11 23:46 +0000
                Re: More systemdCrap Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-11 23:44 +0000
                Re: More systemdCrap John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-03-12 09:07 -0700
                Re: More systemdCrap Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-12 21:38 +0000
                Re: More systemdCrap John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-03-11 07:59 -0700
                Re: More systemdCrap John McCue <jmccue@qball.jmcunx.com> - 2025-03-11 17:37 +0000
                Re: More systemdCrap Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-11 23:42 +0000
                Re: More systemdCrap "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-12 22:10 +0100
                Re: More systemdCrap Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-12 21:38 +0000
                Re: More systemdCrap "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-12 23:42 +0100
                Re: More systemdCrap Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-13 00:12 +0000
                Re: More systemdCrap "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-13 08:21 +0100
                Re: More systemdCrap Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-13 08:06 +0000
                Re: More systemdCrap "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-03-11 08:33 -0400
                Re: More systemdCrap The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-11 14:52 +0000
                Re: More systemdCrap Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-03-11 15:50 +0000
                Re: More systemdCrap John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-03-11 08:59 -0700
                Re: More systemdCrap Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-03-11 16:12 +0000
                Re: More systemdCrap John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-03-11 09:19 -0700
                Re: More systemdCrap Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-03-11 16:25 +0000
                Re: More systemdCrap The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-11 20:02 +0000
                Re: More systemdCrap D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-11 22:38 +0100
                Re: More systemdCrap "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-12 22:14 +0100
                Re: More systemdCrap "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-12 22:12 +0100
                Re: More systemdCrap John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-03-12 14:50 -0700
                Re: More systemdCrap "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-12 23:44 +0100
                Re: More systemdCrap The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-11 19:58 +0000
                Re: More systemdCrap D <nospam@example.net> - 2025-03-11 22:37 +0100
                Re: More systemdCrap Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-11 23:07 +0000
                Re: More systemdCrap TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2025-03-11 11:32 -0400
                Re: More systemdCrap Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-11 23:07 +0000
                Re: More systemdCrap "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-12 22:26 +0100
            Re: More systemdCrap The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-11 07:45 +0000
              Re: More systemdCrap John McCue <jmccue@qball.jmcunx.com> - 2025-03-11 11:28 +0000
                Re: More systemdCrap Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-03-11 11:42 +0000
                Re: More systemdCrap "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-11 13:21 +0100
                Re: More systemdCrap Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-11 23:04 +0000
                Re: More systemdCrap Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-03-14 20:22 +0000
                Re: More systemdCrap c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-03-15 22:39 -0400
                Re: More systemdCrap The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-11 14:45 +0000
      Re: More systemdCrap Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2025-03-10 16:33 -0400
      Re: More systemdCrap Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2025-03-10 16:37 -0400
        Re: More systemdCrap The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-10 20:53 +0000
          Re: More systemdCrap "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-10 23:17 +0100
            Re: More systemdCrap Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-10 23:33 +0000
              Re: More systemdCrap "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-11 13:23 +0100
                Re: More systemdCrap The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-11 14:51 +0000
                Re: More systemdCrap Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-11 20:56 +0000
                Re: More systemdCrap Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-11 21:05 +0000
            Re: More systemdCrap The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-11 07:49 +0000
              Re: More systemdCrap "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-11 13:27 +0100
                Re: More systemdCrap The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-03-11 14:51 +0000
              Re: More systemdCrap Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-11 20:56 +0000
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      Re: More systemdCrap Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-13 22:07 +0000
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          Re: More systemdCrap Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-14 21:30 +0000
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