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Re: Uh Oh ... Newest Nvidia Chips OVERHEAT

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On 12/3/24 4:19 AM, D wrote:
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> 
> On Tue, 3 Dec 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> 
>>> I think once the LLM:s are exhausted and we no longer see significant 
>>> gains, might be a good time to start.
>>
>>
>>  LLMs can become very good - at least for many, human-replacement,
>>  purposes. This is why Big Biz puts so much money into them, to
>>  get rid of the annoying expensive humans.
> 
> So far I've found the AI:s I've encountered at companies to be very bad and
> annoying. I also read that more and more people support companies that 
> provide
> them with humans, over chat bots, and that the AI label is scaring 
> customers
> away.


   Just don't SAY they're "AI"s ... with Chat5 now hitting
   the market the average consumer WON'T KNOW.


>>  Forgetting that disemployed humans can't BUY their stuff ...
> 
> Like every technology shift, they will find other jobs, and our goods and
> services will become cheaper thanks to automation and AI, which will 
> benefit
> everyone. There is no impending mass unemployment, regardless of how much
> politicians would like for that to be true, so they could scare people into
> accepting new "AI-taxes".

   Alas, THIS time, I don't think it's all gonna work out.
   LLMs or similar are being tuned to completely replace
   the average Joe/Jane in essentially every venue they'd
   be qualified to pursue. The Saboteurs were right - just
   a little premature. WTF *would* Joe DO that's worth
   money ? Jane can at least hang out on street corners ...

>>  (I suspect a "can't get there from here" point)
>>
>>  However I do think there's something beyond LLMs. Alas
> 
> This is obvious. Of course, fast forward, 10-20 years, there will be 
> more break
> throughs. I believe LLMs have hit their limits and that we won't see 
> _dramatic_
> gains as long as LLMs are the underlying technology. We will still see 
> gains,
> but they are starting to taper off.
> 
> We will also see gains in pruning and making models smaller and more 
> efficient,
> while providing the same performance. This I also think is a given.
> 
> But LLMs will not lead us to consciousness. They lack will, volition and
> motivations. These things, for me, are important ingredients if you want to
> argue that you have created a consciousness.

   Taken far enough, LLMs will become indistinguishable
   from humans, or at least 'intelligent organisms'. Yea
   they kinda fake it - but fake something WELL enough
   and it's not really fake anymore ... just 'whatever
   by an alternate means'.

>>  I'm not 100% sure what that is. NN research continues,
>>  but it doesn't yield as much as originally promised.
>>  Might be even better ways of faking what NNs do without
>>  trying to literally emulate the biological product -
>>  at some point it's gonna be a kinda tight functional
>>  equation. Actually real NNs - NOT just neurons/synapses
>>  but lots of input from OTHER kinds of brain cells and
>>  chemistry. Took a billion years of trial and error.
>>
>>  Proper 'consciousness' - don't know if it's the best
>>  idea actually, won't be remotely as controllable as
>>  optimists believe.  However I suspect some kind of
>>  'factal' infinite-regression/mirroring thing is involved.
>>  It IS some kind of pattern/equation though, you can
>>  smell it ... we see the paradigm not only in humans but
>>  well down the tree. With varying degrees of sophistication
>>  the "I AM" thing is widely seen.
>>
>>  TRUE "AI" ... we'd be building "aliens" - not at ALL
>>  like we are.
> 
> Maybe. We don't even know what we are aiming at, so could be that we create
> something brand new and alien. Could also be that we run into some "laws of
> thought" that hit once the complexity of the system reaches a certain 
> level, and
> we end up replicating ourselves.

   They'll try - the 'new slaves', what everyone craves - but
   there'd be too many diffs. We'll get 'aliens'.

> I believe I will be alive when it happens and I'm looking forward to it! =)

   Being tech-based, ONCE "they" reach "the point" they
   could self-evolve VERY VERY rapidly.

   Our best outcome - they evolve WAY past the point where
   they give a shit about humans or planets real quick and
   zip off to their own little 'god dimension'.

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