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On Tue, 3 Dec 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

>> I think once the LLM:s are exhausted and we no longer see significant 
>> gains, might be a good time to start.
>
>
>  LLMs can become very good - at least for many, human-replacement,
>  purposes. This is why Big Biz puts so much money into them, to
>  get rid of the annoying expensive humans.

So far I've found the AI:s I've encountered at companies to be very bad and
annoying. I also read that more and more people support companies that provide
them with humans, over chat bots, and that the AI label is scaring customers
away.

>  Forgetting that disemployed humans can't BUY their stuff ...

Like every technology shift, they will find other jobs, and our goods and
services will become cheaper thanks to automation and AI, which will benefit
everyone. There is no impending mass unemployment, regardless of how much
politicians would like for that to be true, so they could scare people into
accepting new "AI-taxes".

>  (I suspect a "can't get there from here" point)
>
>  However I do think there's something beyond LLMs. Alas

This is obvious. Of course, fast forward, 10-20 years, there will be more break
throughs. I believe LLMs have hit their limits and that we won't see _dramatic_
gains as long as LLMs are the underlying technology. We will still see gains,
but they are starting to taper off.

We will also see gains in pruning and making models smaller and more efficient,
while providing the same performance. This I also think is a given.

But LLMs will not lead us to consciousness. They lack will, volition and
motivations. These things, for me, are important ingredients if you want to
argue that you have created a consciousness.

>  I'm not 100% sure what that is. NN research continues,
>  but it doesn't yield as much as originally promised.
>  Might be even better ways of faking what NNs do without
>  trying to literally emulate the biological product -
>  at some point it's gonna be a kinda tight functional
>  equation. Actually real NNs - NOT just neurons/synapses
>  but lots of input from OTHER kinds of brain cells and
>  chemistry. Took a billion years of trial and error.
>
>  Proper 'consciousness' - don't know if it's the best
>  idea actually, won't be remotely as controllable as
>  optimists believe.  However I suspect some kind of
>  'factal' infinite-regression/mirroring thing is involved.
>  It IS some kind of pattern/equation though, you can
>  smell it ... we see the paradigm not only in humans but
>  well down the tree. With varying degrees of sophistication
>  the "I AM" thing is widely seen.
>
>  TRUE "AI" ... we'd be building "aliens" - not at ALL
>  like we are.

Maybe. We don't even know what we are aiming at, so could be that we create
something brand new and alien. Could also be that we run into some "laws of
thought" that hit once the complexity of the system reaches a certain level, and
we end up replicating ourselves.

I believe I will be alive when it happens and I'm looking forward to it! =)

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