Re: Note - ISP Screwed Up - Can WRITE But Not SEE

From	D <nospam@example.net>
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Subject	Re: Note - ISP Screwed Up - Can WRITE But Not SEE
Date	2025-01-24 10:33 +0100
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On Fri, 24 Jan 2025, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> On 1/23/25 4:05 PM, D wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, 23 Jan 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> 
>>> On 23/01/2025 15:44, D wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, 22 Jan 2025, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 1/22/25 3:00 PM, Marco Moock wrote:
>>>>>> On 22.01.2025 00:19 Uhr 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Well, I can see - by posting with my normal ISP and
>>>>>>> then reading from NeoDome (but can't POST from Neo).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Maybe they restrict posting to avoid abuse.
>>>>>> Ask the admin of it.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Yep, they don't allow posting anymore - too
>>>>>  many spammers. None of the other freebies
>>>>>  seem to work at all any more or want you
>>>>>  to "register". Some ISPs block port 119.
>>>>>  This is not good.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  My provider finally did fix it. Alas they
>>>>>  may only have one old guy who knows how
>>>>>  the NNTP server works. Don't think they
>>>>>  even offer it to newbies anymore.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  By modern standards, usenet is kinda small
>>>>>  data-wise - and mostly just text. Would not
>>>>>  take a super-box. Maybe some people are
>>>>>  worried about liability - lots of weird
>>>>>  stuff here ? Perhaps someone in a kinda
>>>>>  off-the-map country can start a new free
>>>>>  service. (hmmm ... Belize maybe?)
>>>> 
>>>> I think it should be entirely feasible, and fairly cheap, to start your 
>>>> own usenet provider on a few hetzner VM:s. The only thing you'd need is a 
>>>> few peers, inn (or equivalent) and off you go.
>>>> 
>>>> I've toyed with the idea myself from time to time, but so far haven't had 
>>>> the time to do something about it since other projects have priority.
>>> 
>>> Yep.
>>> I have set up a few INN servers. The problem back in the day was the 
>>> binary newsgroups - people uploading pirate images of massive size..
>> 
>> Isn't it very easy to just not offer the binary crap? There are way better 
>> methods today to get your hands on binaries than trawling through 
>> newsgroups downloading and integrating small compressed files.
>> 
>>> It does take a bit of looking after. If you let everyone access it before 
>>> you know it there is a huge amount of illegal shit being transferred on 
>>> legitimate newsgroups, ratware is smashing against every door it can find 
>>> and people are trying to DOS it just because someone called them out for 
>>> being a doofus.
>> 
>> It is very interesting! How long before someone would try and destroy your 
>> publicly available free news server? ;)
>> 
>> On the other hand, one could always hope that the nr of people who even 
>> know what it is is so small that it could live happily unmoderated!
>> 
>> On the other hand, if spam increases too much or the complaints keep piling 
>> up, maybe the peers will drop you?
>> 
>>> But technically its not hard to do for a small community of users
>> 
>> A hobby project for you? =)
>
>
>  There must be something in-between usenet and 'X' - http
>  rather than p119. Simple interface but hooks for better
>  alternative reader apps.
>
>  Remember BBS's ? The trick was that there was usually only

Yes! Those were the days!

>  ONE server holding all the messages. Depending, this is not
>  necessarily terrible. The spreads-it-around nature of usenet
>  is interesting, good redundancy, but the number of feed servers
>  seems to be decreasing, fewer and fewer sources for the articles.
>
>  As for binaries ... you just set a reasonable limit for msg size,
>  and forbid .part's. A detector for ascii-encoded bin will work too.

I imagine that existing, hobby usenet providers would be happy share their 
spam tools and lists which I am sure gets rid of a lot of stuff.

>  As such, a modern BBS - prob with one or two fail-over servers -
>  would be the middle path. Structure everything like usenet,
>  just NOT usenet. Could even pipe in actual usenet articles,
>  for as long as they last.

If you want to go global you can always join Fidonet. Still around, kind 
of like a less known usenet. I do think it is more of a hassle to become a 
Fidonet member though. It seems to me that peering with a usenet provider 
is easier to setup than fidonet which is a bit more administrative and 
cumbersome.

>  Again though the "liability" issue for un-PC content. It's
>  sort of a prob in the USA but a much bigger prob in the EU
>  and beyond. As said, such a system needs to be located in
>  a who-knows/cares-country where it's hard to get at legally.

In europe I would not worry about it at all. First of all, no one in power 
even knows what usenet is, so no one will ever look. Second, most of the 
nasty stuff can easily be blocked or filtered. Third, the responsibility 
of the post is the posters and not yours (at least in my jurisdiction). At 
_worst_ your responsibility is to remove the content from your servers, if 
asked. Otherwise, nothing to worry about.

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        Re: Note - ISP Screwed Up - Can WRITE But Not SEE The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-23 16:40 +0000
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