Re: Centos stream of batpiss

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From	Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid>
Subject	Re: Centos stream of batpiss
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Date	2024-06-07 18:09 +0000

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On 2024-06-07, Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:
>
>> On Sat, 1 Jun 2024 00:45:35 -0400, 26xh.0717 wrote:
>>
>>> For all its crappiness, DOS/Winders is MUCH better in this respect.
>>
>> Sure, that’s why “DLL Hell” never happens on Windows, does it?
>>
>> Except that’s where the phrase was coined.
>
> IIRC, they did improve the situation somewhat around the time of Win
> XP. They did it by brute force though, and just kept around a whole
> batch of application-specific DLLs, rather than managing versions on a
> system-wide basis like Linux or Unix does.

Much to my chagrin, I discovered a Linux equivalent of DLL Hell a few
weeks ago.  I've been upgrading our programs to use a newer SSL library
(libssl.so.1.1 to libssl.so.3), and found a dependency on libc.so.6
which draws a line in the sand between Ubuntu 20 and Ubuntu 22 (and
their Debian equivalents).  I've always prided myself on creating
binaries that will run on any version of an OS, but this dream has
been derailed.  We've told our Ubuntu 20 customers that if they want
TLS 1.3 they have no choice but to upgrade their OS to Ubuntu 22.
Only then can we send them new binaries.  By the same token, our
older binaries, which only support TLS 1.1, will not run under
Ubuntu 22, so if they attempt an OS upgrade our existing stuff
will stop working.  It's an unfortunate mess.

> I feel there were a lot of mistakes made, perhaps from lack of knowledge
> and experience, when DOS, Win 3.x and 9x, and then NT were
> developed. They've dragged a lot of those problems along with them over
> the years, like a stinky diaper they really should change.

The way I like to put it, Windows is a shining edifice built over
a rickety old shack whose door squeaks and jams.  In the name of
backward compatibility, every door in the new building also squeaks
and jams.

> Windows has probably been improved in a number of ways over the years,
> but "improved" is still relative IMO.

Oh, you mean like ads in the Start button...

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  Re: Centos stream of batpiss Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-22 04:15 +0000
    Re: Centos stream of batpiss "26xh.0717" <26xh.0718@e6t4y.net> - 2024-06-01 00:59 -0400
  Re: Centos stream of batpiss John McCue <jmccue@fuzzball.jmcunx.com> - 2024-04-22 12:16 +0000
    Re: Centos stream of batpiss Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-04-22 16:55 +0200
      Re: Centos stream of batpiss John McCue <jmccue@fuzzball.jmcunx.com> - 2024-04-22 19:33 +0000
    Re: Centos stream of batpiss Mich <mich@none.edu> - 2024-04-23 20:11 +0800
    Re: Centos stream of batpiss "26xh.0717" <26xh.0718@e6t4y.net> - 2024-06-01 00:45 -0400
      Re: Centos stream of batpiss Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-06-01 12:44 +0000
        Re: Centos stream of batpiss Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-06-02 23:15 +0000
          Re: Centos stream of batpiss Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2024-06-03 03:25 +0000
            Re: Centos stream of batpiss Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-06-16 02:46 +0000
        Re: Centos stream of batpiss "26xh.0717" <26xh.0718@e6t4y.net> - 2024-06-11 22:31 -0400
      Re: Centos stream of batpiss Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-06-02 23:15 +0000
        Re: Centos stream of batpiss Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2024-06-07 07:44 -0400
          Re: Centos stream of batpiss Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-06-07 18:09 +0000
            Re: Centos stream of batpiss Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-06-16 02:49 +0000
              Re: Centos stream of batpiss Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-06-16 22:44 +0100
                Re: Centos stream of batpiss not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-06-17 08:55 +1000
                Re: Centos stream of batpiss Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-06-17 07:47 +0100

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