Re: VMS

From	Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: VMS
Date	2025-08-02 18:11 +0200
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On Di 29 Jul 2025 at 10:07, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote:

> On 7/28/25 17:34, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> On 2025-07-25, John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Fri, 25 Jul 2025 07:06:27 +0100
>>> Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Fortunately I don't develop SSL, chip microcode or aircraft
>>>> controllers. People accept my code falls over occasionally.
>>>
>>> To be perfectly frank, it's *very* fortunate that you don't develop
>>> aircraft controllers.
>> Pancho seems to have adopted Microsoft's quality criteria:
>> "Sort of works, most of the time."
>> 
>
> Pancho has adopted Microsoft's criteria of giving customers what they want.
>
> To continue the bridge analogy. When the US army was trying to cross the
> Rhine in March 1945, they didn't commission some solid Roman style bridges,
> capable of lasting 1000 years. No, they used pontoon bridges.
>
>> Microsoft's crime against humanity is getting people to
>> lower their standards enough to accept bad software.
>>
>
> Professionally, I started on VMS, I can assure you the most recent software
> I developed on Windows was hugely better, more reliable than the stuff I
> wrote for VMS.

Well, that doesn't tell us much since that is a relative measure.

> The VMS software development process seems almost inconceivable to me now.
> No unit tests, no systematic logging, no QA, no source code control, no
> Google, crappy languages, slow builds, vt00 terminals, crappy editor (sorry
> Steve). It took ages to develop stuff.

That hasn't much to do with VMS since all that could as well be done under VMS.

'Andreas
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Re: VMS Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-07-20 14:37 +0000
  Re: VMS Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-21 08:42 +0100
    Re: VMS John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-21 09:12 -0700
      Re: VMS Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-07-21 18:44 +0100
      Re: VMS Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-21 20:47 +0100
        Re: VMS John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-21 13:31 -0700
          Re: VMS Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-07-23 07:22 +0100
            Re: VMS John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-23 08:04 -0700
              Re: VMS John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-23 08:44 -0700
              Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-23 20:04 +0100
                Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-23 22:47 +0000
                Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-24 09:56 +0100
              Re: VMS Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-07-23 21:53 +0100
                Re: VMS John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-23 14:28 -0700
                Re: VMS Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-07-24 00:29 +0100
                Re: VMS John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-24 08:05 -0700
                Re: VMS Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-24 21:51 +0100
                Re: VMS John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-24 15:06 -0700
                Re: VMS Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-07-25 07:06 +0100
                Re: VMS John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-25 10:39 -0700
                Re: VMS Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-07-26 17:54 +0100
                Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-26 18:02 +0100
                Re: VMS Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2025-07-27 04:04 +0000
                Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-27 01:50 -0400
                Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-27 12:07 +0100
                Re: VMS Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-07-27 10:23 +0100
                Re: VMS Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-27 10:55 +0100
                Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-27 21:23 -0400
                Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-28 04:45 +0000
                Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-28 02:14 -0400
                Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 13:48 +0100
                Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-28 20:38 +0000
                Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-28 20:32 +0000
                Re: VMS Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-07-28 14:17 -0700
                Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-29 05:08 +0000
                Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 13:44 +0100
                Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-28 13:39 +0100
                Re: VMS Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-29 01:03 +0000
                Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-29 05:29 +0000
                Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 11:42 +0100
                Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-29 19:16 +0000
                Re: VMS Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-07-29 12:10 +0100
                Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-29 13:08 +0100
                Re: VMS Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-07-29 09:51 -0700
                Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-29 18:53 +0000
                Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-29 04:51 -0400
                Re: VMS Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-07-29 13:32 +0000
                Re: VMS John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-28 09:22 -0700
                Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-27 12:11 +0100
                Re: VMS Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-27 22:02 +0000
                Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-28 04:58 +0000
                Re: VMS Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-08-01 19:13 +0000
                Re: VMS Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2025-08-01 20:38 +0000
                Re: VMS Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-02 00:01 +0000
                Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-02 02:24 -0400
                Re: VMS Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-08-02 11:34 +0100
                Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-02 21:02 -0400
                Re: VMS Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-08-03 02:08 +0000
                Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-08-03 01:00 -0400
                Re: VMS Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-08-09 10:26 +0000
                Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-08-09 20:00 +0000
                Re: VMS Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-08-09 10:19 +0000
                Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-27 21:31 -0400
                Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-28 05:03 +0000
                Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-28 02:19 -0400
                Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-27 21:09 -0400
                Re: VMS John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-28 10:17 -0700
                Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-28 20:46 +0000
                Re: VMS John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-28 14:34 -0700
                Re: VMS Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-28 16:34 +0000
                Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-28 20:48 +0000
                Re: VMS Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-29 01:00 +0000
                Re: VMS Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-07-29 10:07 +0100
                Re: VMS Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-29 23:05 +0000
                Re: VMS c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-30 02:43 -0400
                Re: VMS Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2025-08-02 18:11 +0200
                Re: VMS Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-24 14:42 +0000
                Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-24 18:05 +0000
                Re: VMS John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-24 11:14 -0700
                Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-24 23:10 +0000
                Re: VMS Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-24 21:16 +0000
                Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-24 23:21 +0000
        Re: VMS John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-21 14:05 -0700
        Re: VMS Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-21 21:14 +0000
          Re: VMS The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-21 22:19 +0100
          Re: VMS rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-22 02:10 +0000

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