Re: VMS

From	Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: VMS
Date	2025-07-28 14:17 -0700
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On 7/28/25 13:32, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Jul 2025 02:14:50 -0400, c186282 wrote:
> 
>> On 7/28/25 12:45 AM, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2025 21:23:31 -0400, c186282 wrote:
>>>
>>>>      One poster said they just heavily over-constructed, more
>>>>      brute-force than engineering acumen. Likely true to a point.
>>>>      However they clearly had the basics of how to engineer strong and
>>>>      functional structures as well.
>>>
>>> If you really want to scratch your head...
>>>
>>> https://www.nps.gov/chcu/learn/historyculture/chacoan-roads.htm
>>>
>>> The punch line is there is no evidence the culture used wheels for
>>> transportation. The concept was not unknown; some finds included kids'
>>> pull toys.
>>
>>     "History" is complicated - SO many revisionist versions.
> 
> I like visiting historic sites and I find it amusing when I revisit years
> later and find the narrative has changed. At one time there was a Custer
> Battlefield National Monument. Now it's the Little Bighorn Battlefield
> National Monument. fwiw that effete bastard George HW Bush signed that
> law. Monuments and markers have been added for the Indians. I suppose
> that's fitting since they won.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> Little_Bighorn_Battlefield_National_Monument#/media/File:CheyenneStone.JPG
> 
> I'm not sure they sent the best and brightest to fight the Indian Wars.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetterman_Fight
> 

	Well the Native Americans won at the Little Bighorn but that followed a 
massacre by Custer of a village that was peaceful.  That enable the war 
leaders to pull together
a winning force.  Custer was not the best and brightest perhaps but he 
had distinguished himself in the Civil War aka The War Between the 
States to maintain
the Union. The Confederacy only wanted to keep slavery but Lincoln and the
United States were interested in maintaining the Union (of the States).

	We won that time but the Confederacy after defeat pursued the path of
propaganda and won the peace.  Even Northerners were convinced that
there was some heroism in the fight to maintain slavery because that
cause of war was not mentioned too much anywhere.

	Lincoln had wanted to compensate the planter class where he had
in-laws by the way, for the freedom of their slaves and hoped to ship
them back to Africa.  The USA was rife then with anti-black racism
from North to South but the last gasp of the abolition was sealed with
the split election of Rutherford B. Hayes which was decided by
withdrawal of the Federal Troops from the South where upon the
Black Codes were put in place to keep the blacks who had stayed
in the South subservient to the White citizens.  Blacks were not
permitted to move around except on the White employer's
business. The Franchise was denied them. Lynching became
the terrorist aspect of this outrage against human liberty.

	bliss

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