Re: Fuck Wayland! Now We Got X11Libre!

From	jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: Fuck Wayland! Now We Got X11Libre!
Date	2025-06-12 11:21 -0400
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Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> writes:

> FreeBSD may adopt XLibre.  The more I read of FreeBSD, the more it seems
> it could be my next OS, should Linux continue to become more "windows
> like".
You're using the wrong Linux. In fact, you might be using nu-Linux.

> I've installed FreeBSD in a virtual machine, and it has the simplicity
> that used to be in Linux.
Those not-as-popular Unix are great if you're just making a webserver
that sends traffic over ethernet, but the hardware support is way
lacking. Even Linux can still be a challenge. Will it support these?

0bda:0129 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTS5129 Card Reader Controller
0bda:0821 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8821A Bluetooth
056a:0374 Wacom Co., Ltd CTL-4100 [Intuos (S)]
046d:0826 Logitech, Inc. HD Webcam C525
1038:12ec SteelSeries ApS Arctis Nova 3
054c:05c4 Sony Corp. DualShock 4 [CUH-ZCT1x]
0b95:1790 ASIX Electronics Corp. AX88179 Gigabit Ethernet
or the flaky Realtek wireless adapter?

I use Wayland now, because I need this machine to be stable. Previously,
with the 'radeon' kmod, X11 was stable. Since more recent Mesa forced
using amdgpu, I've had no stability. 1-2 days, tops. This is what it
looks like:

[408946.614180]  <TASK>
[408946.614985]  ? preempt_count_add+0x64/0xa0
[408946.615690]  ? _raw_spin_trylock+0x13/0x60
[408946.616389]  amdgpu_bo_unref+0x1a/0x30 [amdgpu]
[408946.617385]  amdgpu_gem_object_free+0x30/0x50 [amdgpu]
[408946.618400]  drm_gem_dmabuf_release+0x33/0x50 [drm]
[408946.619214]  dma_buf_release+0x3a/0xa0
[408946.619910]  __dentry_kill+0xf5/0x170
[408946.620593]  __fput+0xee/0x280
[408946.621264]  task_work_run+0x59/0x80
[408946.621927]  do_exit+0x34a/0xb10
[408946.622673]  do_group_exit+0x2d/0x80
[408946.623744]  __x64_sys_exit_group+0x14/0x20
[408946.624817]  do_syscall_64+0x42/0x90
[408946.625666]  entry_SYSCALL_64_after_hwframe+0x4b/0xb5
[408946.626388] RIP: 0033:0x7ffff7bd8425
[408946.627065] Code: Unable to access opcode bytes at 0x7ffff7bd83fb.
[408946.627742] RSP: 002b:00007fffffffe9b8 EFLAGS: 00000206 ORIG_RAX: 00000000000000e7
[408946.628459] RAX: ffffffffffffffda RBX: 00007ffff7ce72e8 RCX: 00007ffff7bd8425
[408946.629158] RDX: 00000000000000e7 RSI: fffffffffffffdc8 RDI: 0000000000000000
[408946.629848] RBP: 0000000000000000 R08: 00007fffffffe960 R09: 00000000006a30a0
[408946.630582] R10: 00007ffff7b0eb10 R11: 0000000000000206 R12: 0000000000000000
[408946.631289] R13: 00007ffff7ce5840 R14: 0000000000000000 R15: 00007ffff7ce7300
[408946.632019]  </TASK>

No amount of updating nor kernel changing, nor fiddling fixed
that. Wayland stays up, so Wayland it is. Some applications misbehave,
and Xephyr doesn't work with XDM to some systems, but at least I can get
stuff done without explosions, flying body parts, and having to hit the
power button.

09:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices,
Inc. [AMD/ATI] Oland [Radeon HD 8570 / R5 430 OEM / R7 240/340 / Radeon
520 OEM]

Sure I could buy a new GPU, but would *it* work? Would it even fit this
machine? 

Will Xlibre do anything? It's too soon to tell. I hope they keep old X11
alive. Recall the change-over from XFree86 to Xorg - that took quite a
long time.

With all these devs pulling in varying directions (Wayland, Xorg,
Xlibre), I fear this will only hurt the community at large. There's only
so many man-hours to put into software; it would be nice if everyone
worked together on the same project.

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Fuck Wayland! Now We Got X11Libre! Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-06-10 19:16 +0000
  Re: Fuck Wayland! Now We Got X11Libre! Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-06-10 15:30 -0400
    Re: Fuck Wayland! Now We Got X11Libre! % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-06-10 12:42 -0700
    Re: Fuck Wayland! Now We Got X11Libre! Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-06-10 20:16 +0000
      Re: Fuck Wayland! Now We Got X11Libre! Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-06-10 16:19 -0400
        Re: Fuck Wayland! Now We Got X11Libre! % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-06-10 13:24 -0700
      Re: Fuck Wayland! Now We Got X11Libre! rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-11 03:05 +0000
        Re: Fuck Wayland! Now We Got X11Libre! Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-06-11 05:59 +0000
          Re: Fuck Wayland! Now We Got X11Libre! Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-06-11 09:42 +0000
            Re: Fuck Wayland! Now We Got X11Libre! Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-06-11 05:53 -0400
            Re: Fuck Wayland! Now We Got X11Libre! "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-06-11 12:34 +0200
            Re: Fuck Wayland! Now We Got X11Libre! Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-11 12:19 +0000
              Re: Fuck Wayland! Now We Got X11Libre! The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-11 13:53 +0100
              Re: Fuck Wayland! Now We Got X11Libre! Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> - 2025-06-11 14:37 +0000
              Re: Fuck Wayland! Now We Got X11Libre! Mike Scott <usenet.16@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> - 2025-06-11 15:56 +0100
                Re: Fuck Wayland! Now We Got X11Libre! Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-12 10:58 +0000
                freebsd Mike Scott <usenet.16@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> - 2025-06-12 15:37 +0100
                Re: freebsd c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-12 14:52 -0400
                Re: Fuck Wayland! Now We Got X11Libre! jayjwa <jayjwa@atr2.ath.cx.invalid> - 2025-06-12 11:21 -0400
                Re: Fuck Wayland! Now We Got X11Libre! Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-12 21:36 +0000
            Re: Fuck Wayland! Now We Got X11Libre! not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-06-12 08:44 +1000
              Re: Fuck Wayland! Now We Got X11Libre! candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-06-12 15:10 +0000
                Re: Fuck Wayland! Now We Got X11Libre! Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2025-06-12 19:10 +0000
        Re: Fuck Wayland! Now We Got X11Libre! Uwe Bonnes <bon@hertz.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de> - 2025-06-11 19:23 +0000

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