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Re: Ladybird: A new cross-platform browser project

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26C.Z968 <26C.Z968@noada.net> wrote:
>   Yep  :-)
> 
>   Joe Public WANTS all that (and Joe DataMiner BADLY wants it) -
>   so there it is.
> 
>   BUT ... too many valuable sites simply REQUIRE a lot of that
>   crap to serve us properly. We're kinda STUCK with a few
>   specific browsers these days. That IS Joe DataMiner's plan
>   after all.
> 
>   All hail NoScript  :-)
> 
>   Anyway, I see a very limited future for LadyBug

I don't know where you're getting the idea that it's intended for
anything beyond a limited audience. It's a part of the Serenity OS
project, which describes their goal as:

"Roughly speaking, the goal is a marriage between the aesthetic of 
 late-1990s productivity software and the power-user accessibility 
 of late-2000s *nix." ...
  http://www.serenityos.org/

I flat out fail to understand why a new OS is required to achieve
that. Besides the web browser, I feel it can be acheived with many
well established OSs and their existing software. But it does seem
obvious to me that they're not aiming at winning over "Joe Public".

Maybe it's just that you're only interested in running one web
browser. Indeed then Ladybird is unlikely to ever become a complete
replacement for browsers based on the Firefox or Chrome engines
because website authors won't test with it. But there's a decent
number of people out there who will use one or more browsers that
they prefer to FF/Chrome, and only switch over as required by
website incompatibilities. Hell I'll often even manually pull
lazy-loaded image URLs out from the page source in Dillo, out of
reluctance to load a webpage in Firefox in order to view them
inline with the text.

It is possible for a small project to build a better "second
browser" that fills that role for people like me. Hv3, built on the
Tkhtml 3 rendering engine, actually had better HTML and CSS
rendering than Netsurf or Dillo in my opinion, while being
more lightweight and responsive than Firefox (even Firefox of the
time). Unfortunately it crashed frequently and HTTPS support never
worked for me, plus it's been abandoned for more than a decade.

http://tkhtml.tcl.tk/hv3.html

Links is still actively developed and recently got support for WebP
images. Its developer seems to willfully ignore CSS and Javascript,
which may be why he still has the will to work on it. But
Ladybrid's developer seems keen on complex features and is
apparantly funded, so I'd like to believe that they can make a
browser engine that's able to improve upon the prior efforts of
alternative browser projects.

>   Hmm ... is there a path for an InterNet-II - something
>   different ? Dunno how it could be implemented though.
>   Muon-Net ? MoonBounceComm ?

There are lots of paths for that, but they wander all over the
place and only seem to occasionally cross with the common desires
of people who prefer lightweight web browsers.

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