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Re: Ladybird: A new cross-platform browser project

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25B.Z969 <25B.Z969@noda.net> wrote:
> On 9/16/22 6:12 AM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>> 
>> That was with GCC v11.2.0. It claims to also build with Clang, so I
>> tried that (v13.0.0), but it failed early in the build process
>> with:
>> 
>> clang-13: error: clang frontend command failed with exit code 134
>> (use -v to see invocation)
>> 
>> So GCC breaks Ladybird/Coccinellidae, and Ladybird/Coccinellidae
>> breaks Clang.
>> 
>> Though I'm not sure whether the illegal instruction springs from a
>> bug in GCC (I tried -mtune=generic in case it was confused about
>> what extensions my x86_64 CPU supported), or inline assembly
>> somewhere in the code which is only meant to run on the latest
>> CPUs. Either way, I give up.
> 
>   Look ... it's just not ready for prime time - that's
>   the fact.

Well I'm not entirely sure whether the problem is in the browser or
GCC. Clearly there's something wrong with Clang 13. _They're_
both supposed to be "prime time". "Illegal Instruction" isn't
something you're supposed to be dealing with even if you're
building code that's in development. Except that the SerenityOS
sources do have lots of assembly in them (as you'd expect for an
OS), but I'm not sure whether there's any in the libraries that are
used by the browser alone (working that out is beyond a quick run
of Grep).

>   When it is it'll come in a nice .deb and .rpm
>   and will install easy and clean. For now it's 'beta-ware',
>   maybe 'gamma-ware'.

I expected a buggy and possibly useless browser, but I was hoping
to at least see where they were at. Clearly other people are
getting it to build in fairly similar environments, and I'm very
interested in an alternative to Gecko/WebKit (Firefox/Chrome) for
many reasons.

>   Oh, and do we really NEED another web browser ??? Everybody
>   is after a seriously de-junked FireFox or Chromium - but I'm
>   not sure that's a viable option anymore. People expect a LOT
>   of browsers now and too much de-junking means a serious lack
>   of desired capabilities. Any new product - there's be a huge
>   lobby demanding they ADD all those junky features.

Maybe that's the case. I'd be happy browsing everything in Dillo if
websites hadn't broken compatibility with Javascriptless browsers
to the point that you can't even view the navigation links or
lazy-loaded images, not to mention often even plain text. My
problem is undoubtably not a lack of available browsers, but the
lack of available web content for browsers not based on Gecko or
WebKit.

But it's likely possible for a browser to exist with many of the
features that I like about the likes of Dillo, and for it to
have more websites "available" to it than existing offerings. I
wish that were acheived by continued development of browsers like
Dillo and NetSurf which did/do aspire to the same thing, but
failing that then I welcome the effort of developers who decide to
start from scratch.

Actually I don't really care about the browser, but the
scratch-built Javascript and Web rendering libraries from the
SerenityOS project that are behind it.

>   SHOULD browsers do all Firefox/Chromium do ? Probably not, it's
>   an invite to the malicious. So is using Winders for that matter.
>   Are people going to drop all of those ? NO ! May as well tell
>   them to throw away the credit cards and start paying for
>   everything in person in gold dust. Ain't gonna happen.

Yeah but I already try to drop Firefox/Chromium wherever possible,
so I'm very interested if a new browser makes it possible for me
to drop them more often (if not always). I don't care about
"people" - they're the damn things that wrecked all their websites
and made them unviewable with Dillo in the first place!

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