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| From | vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.misc |
| Subject | Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn |
| Date | 2025-11-09 01:21 +0000 |
| Organization | The Unnamed Newswriter |
| Message-ID | <10eoqau$2u7bc$3@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
| References | (2 earlier) <mn490lFoqalU3@mid.individual.net> <10ekkb3$1pge1$7@dont-email.me> <pan$a6d05$e7db1f28$5bec1ca8$57cbf99e@linux.rocks> <yaOcnX1KEemRLZP0nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com> <pan$888ba$712abe44$e2dbef4e$27e27cc4@linux.rocks> |
At Sat, 08 Nov 2025 11:56:21 +0000, Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> wrote: > On Fri, 7 Nov 2025 21:50:41 -0500, c186282 wrote: > > > > > So, it all just comes to you by space-alien > > telepathic channels ? > > > > "space-alien telepathic channel" = idiot-proof GUI = GNOME, KDE > > > > > > Oh, and we DON'T want just 'super-humans' using > > Linux ... > > > > A programmer is not "super human," and Linux was/is made > by and for programmers. > > A fundamental command is "grep" and to effectively wield > it one must understand regular expressions which are examples > of a finite-state automaton. > > Yet the article cited in the OP was directed at an audience > that likely cannot even understand the concept of a "file." > > > > > > it's better than Win and we want to woo > > people away from total M$ dependence. > > > > The purpose of GNU/Linux is not to "woo people > away" from M$ but only to provide a computing platform > that is suitable for knowledgeable programmers. > > It is players like IBM/RedHat/Ubuntu that are peddling > the OS to total dummies. Larry P. here has been trying to make Linux users look bad for years in cola. His posts are so far out there that they defy belief that he is at all serious. Poe's Law applies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law ObLinux: This newsreader runs on tk/perl on Linux, and potentially might run on MacOS with some work. Trying to release a beta this weekend... -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090Ti 24G OS: Linux 6.18.0-rc4 D: Mint 22.2 DE: Xfce 4.18 NVIDIA: 580.105.08 Mem: 258G "I may not be perfect, but parts of me are excellent."
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Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-07 20:59 -0500
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Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-08 02:56 -0500
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-08 12:41 +0100
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-08 13:09 +0100
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-07 20:09 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-07 21:50 -0500
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Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-08 02:57 -0500
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-08 11:56 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-08 13:10 +0100
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-08 12:15 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-08 12:26 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-08 13:34 +0100
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-08 13:08 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-08 13:27 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Diego Garcia <dg@chaos.rocks> - 2025-11-08 15:25 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-09 13:42 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Diego Garcia <dg@chaos.rocks> - 2025-11-09 15:20 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 20:46 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 09:06 +0100
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-08 16:05 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Diego Garcia <dg@chaos.rocks> - 2025-11-08 17:02 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 00:52 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-08 12:47 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-08 08:38 -0800
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Diego Garcia <dg@chaos.rocks> - 2025-11-08 17:35 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 01:03 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 13:01 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 15:02 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 20:46 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 23:18 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 12:14 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-09 23:44 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 23:56 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-08 20:42 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-08 21:17 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> - 2025-11-08 21:46 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-08 15:37 -0800
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-09 13:55 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2025-11-09 14:16 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 20:42 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 09:15 +0100
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 20:58 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 20:46 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-09 22:36 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 01:09 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 03:53 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-09 13:58 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 20:42 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 23:51 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-08 15:30 -0800
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-09 03:19 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 09:53 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-09 13:45 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-09 13:28 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-09 22:32 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 00:14 -0500
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-15 10:25 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-12 04:36 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 20:41 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-08 08:29 -0800
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Diego Garcia <dg@chaos.rocks> - 2025-11-08 18:31 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-08 20:42 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-08 21:53 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-08 22:10 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 04:23 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-09 00:31 -0500
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 12:55 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 20:15 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 20:49 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-09 23:47 -0500
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 20:07 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-14 16:46 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 00:34 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-08 22:13 -0800
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-09 01:48 -0500
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 13:10 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-09 23:41 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 20:40 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-11-09 13:14 -0800
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 08:11 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-12 22:36 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-13 05:52 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-14 17:38 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-14 18:16 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-13 10:43 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-14 17:33 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-14 20:57 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-15 05:56 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-15 22:14 +0100
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-15 22:23 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-16 03:06 +0100
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-16 02:35 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 00:02 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 05:34 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-09 01:42 -0500
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-09 12:58 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 00:06 -0500
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 12:22 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-10 21:02 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 23:24 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 03:57 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-11 00:39 -0500
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-14 18:50 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-11-11 07:38 +0100
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-11 20:22 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 00:10 -0500
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 20:48 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-14 18:54 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-14 20:43 +0100
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-14 20:09 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-15 02:07 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-14 23:14 -0500
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-15 22:23 +0100
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-12 00:38 -0500
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-12 20:34 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-14 18:57 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-14 18:46 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 21:16 +0100
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-14 18:44 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-09 19:56 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 21:17 +0100
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-09 01:21 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 21:21 +0100
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Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-11-08 13:24 +0200
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-08 20:54 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-08 21:43 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-09 14:08 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-09 23:39 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-15 10:09 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-15 22:25 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-11-10 23:19 +0100
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 23:52 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-11 00:06 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-14 19:13 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-14 19:11 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2025-11-14 19:43 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-14 20:11 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-11-15 10:34 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-15 22:35 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-11-15 14:03 +0200
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 05:57 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-11-10 01:01 -0500
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 07:42 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-11-14 19:16 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-11-10 08:16 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-11-10 08:25 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-11-10 21:02 +0000
Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 22:26 +0000
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