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Re: Set/get console cursor position without use ncurses

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Jan Panteltje wrote:

> I think we need to add a bit to that truth,
> it recently came to my attention the Microsoft's attempts to create
> or rather force a secure boot option on computer users,
> is prohibiting Linux from making a usable bootloader is a NASTY way.

I heard the news too and I agree is a very stupid idea. However didn't
surprise me a lot since MS is not new to these idiot strategies.
However you must consider the big difference between MS and Linux.
Linux is an open source OS where a lot of programmers over the world
work *for free* to the improvements. On the contrary MS is a commercial
company where the people working in need to be payed so, as every
company, need to use all the possible stragegies to get a gain also try
following some stupid idea like this. Anyway, excluding this strange
ideas, I don't think anything coming from MS is bad. In my opinion MS
is able to develop a very good products like, for example, Visual
Studio that I like a lot.

> them or their crap in any way.  Personally I burned my xp disk 
> because it was unusable.  

Here I'm very curious since "unusable" is a very strong word. Always
talking without "defiance" but just for personal curiosity may I know
what are these thing you can do using Linux that can not be done using
Windows? I'm using Windows from a lot of years and never had big
problem in use them.

>On top of that you will then have to pay for most applications, 
> some as simple as 'Hello world'.

Here don't agree. There are a lot of good Windows application released
as freeware too.

> Here is a nice article in German about
> how Linux saves million in Muenchen Germany:
> http://www.heise.de/open/meldung/Linux-in-Muenchen-Ueber-10-Millionen-
> Euro-gespart-1755574.html

And I think they made a very good choice. If they need only a desktop
tool with common office app like OpenOffice is quite stupid to pay for
have the same Windows feature you can have for free using Linux.

> I am well aware of MSDOS, DRDOS, and older versions of windows being
> used. DRDOS was way better, MS got scared, and make win98 with an
> integrated DOS (killed the concept of a GUI on top of a simple kernel
> with command line), for market protection.  That is the time I went
> for Linux.  Everything has its learning curve, but already with Linux
> .98 (SLS) the absence of that nasty memory limitation, plus
> multitasking, was an incredible plus.

Correct, but if you don't need all these features but only a quick way
to check memory, IO or PCI, just for make an example, in my opinion
using MS-DOS is still the fastern way. Immediate boot from USB key,
ridiculus quanity of memory need and completely free access to all
hardware.

> MS Windows only got worse since, for marketing reasons, they started
> writing it over and over again, and 98, 2000, NT, that other POS that
> never was accepted, 7, and now a total direction change with 8, well
> they made their first loss this year, They still have no clue that
> those who criticize Unix are destined to re-invent it so to speak.
> Once investors design software it will be all over.

I don't gree also in this point. Windows Vista was really bad but using
Windows 7 I'm really satisfied and I think it work very well. Not tried
Windows 8 yet because I'm not interested to have always the last OS
just for try than I can not express my opnion about it.

> Supporting Microsoft in any way is a crime against humanity.

This point of view is a bit too "dramatic" for me but is your point and
I respect it. I'm glad to discuss and compare different point of view,
the only important thing is to keep always a peaceful attitude without
be rude.

Anyway I agree with other user. We went totally off-topic so is better
to stop here the discussion. Everyone will continue to work with their
preferred OS and we'll be all happy.



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