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| Started by | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
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| First post | 2014-12-27 08:01 -0600 |
| Last post | 2015-01-01 13:41 -0600 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 174 — 21 participants |
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"Goodbye to Apple" chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-12-27 08:01 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-27 09:07 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-12-27 08:24 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-12-27 19:10 +0000
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-12-27 13:16 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-12-27 19:29 +0000
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-12-27 16:05 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-12-27 19:58 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-12-29 10:40 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-12-29 14:20 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-12-27 19:57 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-12-29 10:42 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-12-29 12:22 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-12-29 11:42 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-29 11:33 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-12-30 11:25 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-12-29 10:31 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-12-29 12:21 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-29 10:22 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-29 10:21 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-12-29 14:23 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-12-29 22:13 +0100
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-12-30 10:05 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-30 09:20 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-12-30 10:23 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-12-30 18:09 +0100
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-12-30 11:40 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-12-30 21:44 +0100
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-30 16:14 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-12-30 22:30 +0100
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-30 16:34 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-12-30 22:42 +0100
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-12-30 19:50 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-30 19:52 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-12-31 10:04 +0100
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-12-31 05:51 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-12-31 06:46 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-31 10:36 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-31 10:26 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-30 19:38 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-12-30 21:56 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-30 20:45 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-12-31 11:10 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-30 10:42 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-12-30 09:43 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-12-30 13:18 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-12-30 21:37 +0100
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-12-30 12:51 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-30 16:12 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-12-30 16:25 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-30 14:54 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-12-30 21:35 +0100
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-30 15:37 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-12-30 15:42 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2014-12-29 13:04 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-29 11:38 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-12-27 16:03 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-12-27 20:00 -0600
"Goodbye to Apple" -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-12-27 06:13 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-12-27 19:13 +0000
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-12-27 19:10 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Ron House <rhouse@smartchat.net.au> - 2014-12-28 16:01 +1000
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-12-28 04:43 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Ron House <rhouse@smartchat.net.au> - 2014-12-29 20:47 +1000
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-12-29 03:54 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Ron House <rhouse@smartchat.net.au> - 2014-12-29 23:14 +1000
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-12-29 10:25 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-12-29 11:20 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-12-29 14:51 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-12-29 23:56 +0100
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-12-29 15:31 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-12-30 07:04 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-12-30 05:55 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-12-30 09:17 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-12-30 10:09 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-12-30 10:47 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-12-30 18:07 +0100
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-12-30 11:43 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-12-30 12:05 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-30 12:36 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-12-30 15:40 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-30 13:47 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-12-30 13:25 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2014-12-30 13:52 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-12-30 14:00 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-30 10:43 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-12-30 14:01 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2014-12-30 15:12 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-12-30 21:33 +0100
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-12-30 12:36 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2014-12-30 15:40 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-12-30 16:05 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-12-30 17:15 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2014-12-30 17:21 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-01-01 19:02 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-12-30 14:49 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-12-30 14:46 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-12-30 16:02 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-12-30 13:15 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-12-30 10:33 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2014-12-30 14:27 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2014-12-30 11:36 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-30 15:06 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-12-30 14:48 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-12-30 14:04 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-12-30 14:47 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-12-30 12:54 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-12-30 22:09 +0100
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-12-30 21:59 +0100
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-12-28 04:45 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-12-29 06:59 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-12-29 15:03 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-12-30 11:23 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" TomB <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> - 2014-12-28 08:20 +0000
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Goblin <bytes4free@gmail.com> - 2014-12-28 02:22 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Tattoo Vampire <sitting@this.computer> - 2014-12-28 10:22 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-12-29 06:10 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Tattoo Vampire <sitting@this.computer> - 2014-12-29 08:20 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2014-12-29 13:45 +0000
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Tattoo Vampire <sitting@this.computer> - 2014-12-30 07:55 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-12-29 10:06 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-12-29 10:16 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-12-29 10:21 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-12-29 10:06 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2014-12-29 09:22 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-12-29 11:49 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-12-29 13:18 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-29 11:39 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-12-29 13:04 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2014-12-29 13:50 +0000
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-12-29 23:39 +0100
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Tattoo Vampire <sitting@this.computer> - 2014-12-30 07:58 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2014-12-30 13:32 +0000
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-01-01 08:04 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-12-30 09:15 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-01-01 13:06 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-12-29 11:23 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-29 10:35 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-28 11:28 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-12-28 07:05 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-28 10:43 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-12-28 10:06 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-28 10:27 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-28 11:29 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" TomB <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> - 2014-12-28 18:51 +0000
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-12-28 12:54 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-12-28 11:27 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-12-28 13:33 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-12-28 12:52 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-28 14:19 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" charlescroyden3@gmail.com - 2014-12-28 13:23 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-28 15:57 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-12-28 15:20 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-28 14:35 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-28 14:29 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-28 14:13 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" TomB <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> - 2014-12-30 12:37 +0000
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-12-30 08:08 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-12-30 06:54 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-30 10:05 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" TomB <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> - 2014-12-30 21:46 +0000
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-12-30 14:20 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-30 18:42 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-30 08:02 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-12-30 09:42 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-30 08:58 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-12-29 11:18 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-29 10:36 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-12-27 08:27 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-12-27 19:14 +0000
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-12-29 11:39 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-29 11:32 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-01-01 13:22 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2015-01-01 13:41 -0600
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2014-12-27 19:10 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <d5295f6f-fa2e-4a2b-9b95-557aa87fbbf9@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #273277 |
Nobody wrote: > -hh wrote: >> Chrisv writes: >>> I was checking-out this guys photos and blog, and encountered this: >>> >>> <http://www.birdphotos.com/photos/blog?page=5> >>> >>> Unlike all the bullshit that the control freaks at Apple forced him to >>> do, his Android phone allows him to "simply and quickly" copy and paste >>> his sound files. >> >> Now imagine that instead of iTunes on Windows, this was an equivalent >> file manager running on Linux: just how many errors did he make for > which you wouldn't blame the OS? >> >> 1. Failure to keep data backups (PC data loss of original files) >> >> 2. Failure to run safe software (PC data recovery stuff probably was > malware) >> >> 3. Failure to take care of his hardware (synch problem attributed to >> dropping his phone "too many times") >> >> 4. Misattribution of the root causes of his problems. >> >> ...anyone want to add any others? > > Do you think if you emailed the above bullshit to him, he'd switch back > to Apple? Let's find out, shall we? I give you my permission to email all of this to him for me, contingent on you cc'ing me on it and all subsequent conversations. > LOL FYI, what he may or may not do was not of any real interest, as I used his story as YA example of the hypocrisy that there is within the Android/Linux "community" for when people run into IT problems: the COLA Herd is quick to deflect blame into such classics as improper data backup strategies, 'stupidity' of getting hit with malware, broken hardware, etc...all the classical 'Blame the User' deflections. -hh
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| From | Ron House <rhouse@smartchat.net.au> |
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| Date | 2014-12-28 16:01 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <549F9CA9.2020202@smartchat.net.au> |
| In reply to | #273297 |
On 28/12/14 13:10, -hh wrote: > FYI, what he may or may not do was not of any real interest, as I used his story > as YA example of the hypocrisy that there is within the Android/Linux "community" > for when people run into IT problems: the COLA Herd is quick to deflect blame into > such classics as improper data backup strategies, 'stupidity' of getting hit with malware, > broken hardware, etc...all the classical 'Blame the User' deflections. Sane people recognise a difference between a tragedy and a crime, and between an accident and an immoral act. Linux for sure has lots of bugs, as do all OSes, but they are accidents, whereas the Apple story told here was a deliberate act by Apple to sabotage the user for their own corporate greed. Sane people will see the difference. -- Ron House Building Peace: http://peacelegacy.org Australian Birds: http://wingedhearts.org Principle of Goodness academic site: http://principleofgoodness.net
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2014-12-28 04:43 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <b4f6640c-752f-4c43-883f-b7e5ad3c42c6@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #273301 |
Ron house wrote: > -hh wrote >> FYI, what he may or may not do was not of any real interest, as I used his story >> as YA example of the hypocrisy that there is within the Android/Linux "community" >> for when people run into IT problems: the COLA Herd is quick to deflect blame into >> such classics as improper data backup strategies, 'stupidity' of getting hit with malware, >> broken hardware, etc...all the classical 'Blame the User' deflections. > > Sane people recognise a difference between a tragedy and a crime, and > between an accident and an immoral act. Linux for sure has lots of bugs, > as do all OSes, but they are accidents, whereas the Apple story told > here was a deliberate act by Apple to sabotage the user for their own > corporate greed. Sane people will see the difference. So then "Ron": exactly how did Apple 'sabotage' this user by forcing him to not follow good IT protocols by not having data backups? And don't neglect to account for how Apple went out of their way to bundle the backup app of Time Machine into their product. Similarly, how did they force him to repeatedly drop his phone? Similarly, how did they force him to make bad decisions for 3rd party apps? Your claim holds no water...all because you're trying to be apologetic for Linux. For example, of those ~300 Distributions, which one(s) come with both of the above tools? And similarly, which ones prevent you from dropping your phone? Be specific. -hh
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| From | Ron House <rhouse@smartchat.net.au> |
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| Date | 2014-12-29 20:47 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <54A1315C.5040407@smartchat.net.au> |
| In reply to | #273308 |
On 28/12/14 22:43, THE ANONYMOUS COWARD -hh wrote: > Ron house wrote: >> Sane people recognise a difference between a tragedy and a crime, and >> between an accident and an immoral act. Linux for sure has lots of bugs, >> as do all OSes, but they are accidents, whereas the Apple story told >> here was a deliberate act by Apple to sabotage the user for their own >> corporate greed. Sane people will see the difference. > > So then "Ron": exactly how did Apple 'sabotage' this user by forcing him > to not follow good IT protocols by not having data backups? And don't > neglect to account for how Apple went out of their way to bundle the backup > app of Time Machine into their product. So "hh" (don't know why you scare quoted "Ron", that's my real name in the real world. But "hh" is your lying coward's astroturfing corporate anonymous handle.): Back to the point: He still had a copy of his file! So your "drop his phone", "bad 3rd party apps" bleating is irrelevant. He had his file, but because he didn't have the "approved copy" according to Apple corporate policy, he lost the use of it. Get it? Linux never says "Oh, you have your file, but not the official approved copy - DELETE! EXTERMINATE!" Errors happen, for sure, in ALL OSes. But Apple deliberately deleted his file. THAT is the difference. Now go back in your bought and paid for corporate hole. -- Ron House Building Peace: http://peacelegacy.org Australian Birds: http://wingedhearts.org Principle of Goodness academic site: http://principleofgoodness.net
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2014-12-29 03:54 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <4968b2de-1c77-4185-b1af-7c28155a8294@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #273393 |
Ron House wrote: > On 28/12/14 22:43, THE ANONYMOUS COWARD -hh wrote: >> Ron house wrote: >>> Sane people recognise a difference between a tragedy and a crime, and >>> between an accident and an immoral act. Linux for sure has lots of bugs, >>> as do all OSes, but they are accidents, whereas the Apple story told >>> here was a deliberate act by Apple to sabotage the user for their own >>> corporate greed. Sane people will see the difference. >> >> So then "Ron": exactly how did Apple 'sabotage' this user by forcing him >> to not follow good IT protocols by not having data backups? And don't >> neglect to account for how Apple went out of their way to bundle the backup >> app of Time Machine into their product. > > So "hh" (don't know why you scare quoted "Ron", that's my real name in > the real world. But "hh" is your lying coward's astroturfing corporate > anonymous handle.): Frankly, I have my doubts ... but others have tried (and failed) before you with the "Anonymous Coward" distraction attempt, and in you doing so now too, you've simply illustrated that you can't be bothered to do one whit of fact-checking before you open your mouth. Case in point, I'm calling your bluff: how about we offer up a US$500 reward for the uncloaking of my supposedly 'anonymous' identity? It's quite easy: only equally non-anonymous posters are eligible to participate, and because it is NOT a challenge, *you* are the party who is obligated to pay said reward. You game, mate? Or are you going to do anything except promptly acknowledge your mistake and apologize? > Back to the point: He still had a copy of his file! So your "drop his > phone", "bad 3rd party apps" bleating is irrelevant. He had his file, > but because he didn't have the "approved copy" according to Apple > corporate policy, he lost the use of it. Get it? Forgot his two screw-ups before that point....golly, how convenient. Unfortunately for you, the remaining copy on the phone was reportedly inaccessible because the phone had been dropped too many times, plus even if it had not been so, the default OEM software is not generally condusive to synching backwards. Given how he already had had multiple other failures, he shouldn't have even tried to synch conventionally, but sought 'professional help', since his DIY's had already revealed himself as pragmatically unqualified (not sufficiently adept). > Linux never says "Oh, you have your file, but not the official > approved copy - DELETE! EXTERMINATE!" Untrue: Linux does too "Ron". Such deletions occur every time when someone says "Synch A and B, using B as the Master". Try it yourself in any FTP application on any OS...preferably with the only copy of some personally irreplaceable file to drive home the facts of life. > Errors happen, for sure, in ALL OSes. But Apple deliberately deleted his file. THAT is the difference. RTFM: the OEM software he used performed it's intended function. > Now go back in your bought and paid corporate hole. Personal attacks don't add any credibility to your already flawed argument. In fact, it merely confirms that you know that you're trying to bluff your way through...with emphasis on "trying", since you're clearly quite far from succeeding. -hh
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| From | Ron House <rhouse@smartchat.net.au> |
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| Date | 2014-12-29 23:14 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <54A153A1.1050903@smartchat.net.au> |
| In reply to | #273402 |
On 29/12/14 21:54, -hh wrote: > Ron House wrote: >> So "hh" (don't know why you scare quoted "Ron", that's my real name in >> the real world. But "hh" is your lying coward's astroturfing corporate >> anonymous handle.): > > Frankly, I have my doubts ... but others have tried (and failed) before you with > the "Anonymous Coward" distraction attempt, YOU are the one who pointedly "quoted" my name as if it were somehow a fake. It's your topic, deal with it. > and in you doing so now too, > you've simply illustrated that you can't be bothered to do one whit of fact-checking > before you open your mouth. What "fact checking"? If you wanted to be known by name you'd put your name. You don't. It isn't for me or anyone else to play detective. > Case in point, I'm calling your bluff: how about we offer up a US$500 reward for > the uncloaking of my supposedly 'anonymous' identity? It's quite easy: only equally > non-anonymous posters are eligible to participate, and because it is NOT a challenge, > *you* are the party who is obligated to pay said reward. You game, mate? Or are > you going to do anything except promptly acknowledge your mistake and apologize? What the HELL are you going on about? I suppose it must make some kind of sense in your twisted excuse for a mind - but not to anyone else. >... The rest deleted because it still misses the point that the genuine software errors (whether on Apple or Linux) are not the issue, neither is the alleged stupidity or carelessness of the person involved. The corporate deliberate deleting of an existing, but "non-official" file out of Apple's corporate greed is the issue. Only a paid-for corporate shill like you would take such pains to avoid it. Enough. I only answer scum like you in case your misrepresentations are misleading uninitiated readers. Now that all sane people can see your BS for what it is, I cease to be concerned with you. -- Ron House Building Peace: http://peacelegacy.org Australian Birds: http://wingedhearts.org Principle of Goodness academic site: http://principleofgoodness.net
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2014-12-29 10:25 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <f12f337f-9a6d-4e06-b2f8-da90422c005f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #273406 |
Ron House wrote: > On 29/12/14 21:54, -hh wrote: > > Ron House wrote: > > >> So "hh" (don't know why you scare quoted "Ron", that's my real name in > >> the real world. But "hh" is your lying coward's astroturfing corporate > >> anonymous handle.): > > > > Frankly, I have my doubts ... but others have tried (and failed) before you with > > the "Anonymous Coward" distraction attempt, > > YOU are the one who pointedly "quoted" my name as if it were somehow a > fake. It's your topic, deal with it. As I said, I have my doubts. For example, "your" website in your .sig is apparently using an anonymizing service (how ironic): Domain Name: PRINCIPLEOFGOODNESS.NET Registry Domain ID: 972032653_DOMAIN_NET-VRSN Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.godaddy.com Registrar URL: http://www.godaddy.com Update Date: 2013-04-09T02:44:22Z Creation Date: 2007-05-13T08:26:21Z Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2015-05-13T08:26:21Z Registrar: GoDaddy.com, LLC Registrar IANA ID: 146 Registrar Abuse Contact Email: abuse@godaddy.com Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.480-624-2505 Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited http://www.icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited Domain Status: clientUpdateProhibited http://www.icann.org/epp#clientUpdateProhibited Domain Status: clientRenewProhibited http://www.icann.org/epp#clientRenewProhibited Domain Status: clientDeleteProhibited http://www.icann.org/epp#clientDeleteProhibited Registry Registrant ID: Registrant Name: Registration Private Registrant Organization: Domains By Proxy, LLC Registrant Street: DomainsByProxy.com Registrant Street: 14747 N Northsight Blvd Suite 111, PMB 309 Registrant City: Scottsdale Registrant State/Province: Arizona Registrant Postal Code: 85260 Registrant Country: United States Registrant Phone: +1.4806242599 Registrant Phone Ext: Registrant Fax: +1.4806242598 Registrant Fax Ext: Registrant Email: PRINCIPLEOFGOODNESS.NET@domainsbyproxy.com Registry Admin ID: Admin Name: Registration Private Admin Organization: Domains By Proxy, LLC Admin Street: DomainsByProxy.com Admin Street: 14747 N Northsight Blvd Suite 111, PMB 309 Admin City: Scottsdale Admin State/Province: Arizona Admin Postal Code: 85260 Admin Country: United States Admin Phone: +1.4806242599 Admin Phone Ext: Admin Fax: +1.4806242598 Admin Fax Ext: Admin Email: PRINCIPLEOFGOODNESS.NET@domainsbyproxy.com Registry Tech ID: Tech Name: Registration Private Tech Organization: Domains By Proxy, LLC Tech Street: DomainsByProxy.com Tech Street: 14747 N Northsight Blvd Suite 111, PMB 309 Tech City: Scottsdale Tech State/Province: Arizona Tech Postal Code: 85260 Tech Country: United States Tech Phone: +1.4806242599 Tech Phone Ext: Tech Fax: +1.4806242598 Tech Fax Ext: Tech Email: PRINCIPLEOFGOODNESS.NET@domainsbyproxy.com Name Server: EDNS1.TEAMHOLISTIC.COM Name Server: EDNS2.TEAMHOLISTIC.COM DNSSEC: unsigned URL of the ICANN WHOIS Data Problem Reporting System: http://wdprs.internic.net/ Last update of WHOIS database: 2014-12-29T17:00:00Z > > and in you doing so now too, > > you've simply illustrated that you can't be bothered to do one whit of fact-checking > > before you open your mouth. > > What "fact checking"? If you wanted to be known by name you'd put your > name. You don't. It isn't for me or anyone else to play detective. You're the one who made the claim. As such, it is your responsibility to substantiate. Or withdraw the claim. You've failed to do either. Plus you were warned, as it hasn't been the first time that some fool has tried to make a false "anonymous!' claim out of what's just a ~two decade old Handle. > > Case in point, I'm calling your bluff: how about we offer up a US$500 reward for > > the uncloaking of my supposedly 'anonymous' identity? It's quite easy: only equally > > non-anonymous posters are eligible to participate, and because it is NOT a challenge, > > *you* are the party who is obligated to pay said reward. You game, mate? Or are > > you going to do anything except promptly acknowledge your mistake and apologize? > > What the HELL are you going on about? You made a claim. To make you responsible for it, I offered some IRL implications for what you said ... and pretty much as I expected, you bailed: you did "anything except promptly acknowledge" that you made a mistake and apologize. > I suppose it must make some kind > of sense in your twisted excuse for a mind - but not to anyone else. On the contrary: the regular readers have seen idiots try this game before and have watched them get burned...they're probably waiting to see if you were going to be willing to pay up before bothering with you, but you've now blown that opportunity. You were given enough rope to go hang yourself ... and predictably, that's exactly what you did when you bailed out of the claim that you yourself made. > >... > > The rest deleted because it still misses the point that the genuine > software errors (whether on Apple or Linux) are not the issue, neither > is the alleged stupidity or carelessness of the person involved. On the contrary: you deleted the text to avoid the plain fact of "RTFM". > The corporate deliberate deleting of an existing, but "non-official" file > out of Apple's corporate greed is the issue. Once again, it is merely "RTFM". > Only a paid-for corporate shill like you ... Golly, here is yet another unsubstantiated claim. Cite Please. And FYI, I'll make another offer here: I'll make a US$500 bet for charity that you cannot provide unambiguous proof that I'm a corporate shill [specifically Apple, right?] within the next 48 hours. If I'm wrong, I'll donate US$500 to a Govt-recognized Charity of your choice. And if you fail to deliver ... well, then what are you going to offer in return? Are you willing to match this US$500 offer to a Govt- recognized Charity of _my_ choice? > ...would take such pains to avoid it. Enough. I only answer > scum like you in case your misrepresentations are misleading uninitiated > readers. Now that all sane people can see your BS for what it is, I > cease to be concerned with you. Translation: "Golly, I'll try one more cheap shot and then ... RUN AWAY!!!" FYI, if you really do live in Oz, you're the most chickenshit coward of an Australian that I've ever met. -hh
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| From | JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> |
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| Date | 2014-12-29 11:20 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <slrnma33bo.77a.jedi@nomad.mishnet> |
| In reply to | #273393 |
On 2014-12-29, Ron House <rhouse@smartchat.net.au> wrote:
> On 28/12/14 22:43, THE ANONYMOUS COWARD -hh wrote:
>> Ron house wrote:
>
>>> Sane people recognise a difference between a tragedy and a crime, and
>>> between an accident and an immoral act. Linux for sure has lots of bugs,
>>> as do all OSes, but they are accidents, whereas the Apple story told
>>> here was a deliberate act by Apple to sabotage the user for their own
>>> corporate greed. Sane people will see the difference.
>>
>> So then "Ron": exactly how did Apple 'sabotage' this user by forcing him
>> to not follow good IT protocols by not having data backups? And don't
They created a black box that can no longer be treated as "just a bunch
of files" by the end user. They created a situation where recovery of data
by hand is complicated more than it needs to be.
>> neglect to account for how Apple went out of their way to bundle the backup
>> app of Time Machine into their product.
Another highly proprietary solution to make up for the fact that they have
subjected the end user to an unecessarily proprietary solution.
[deletia]
--
Metallica is not worth the ruination of someone |||
who has pirated their music / | \
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2014-12-29 14:51 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <3c03b722-b747-40a6-9e13-53627a6f427a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #273444 |
JEDIDIAH wrote: > > -hh wrote: > >> > >> So then "Ron": exactly how did Apple 'sabotage' this user by forcing him > >> to not follow good IT protocols by not having data backups? And don't > > They created a black box that can no longer be treated as "just a bunch > of files" by the end user. They created a situation where recovery of data > by hand is complicated more than it needs to be. Except that you're choosing to look through a keyhole at one very small element, rather than the entire picture. From a system architecture perspective, Apple certainly did "hide" a lot of files from the end user ... and that means that 99% of the time, the end user can't see them to mess them up. Similarly, when the system works as designed, there is ZERO 'need' to ever recover individual files on the cellphone ... because it does not also serve as the Master data repository: the Master is kept on a PC and/or Cloud. > >> neglect to account for how Apple went out of their way to bundle the backup > >> app of Time Machine into their product. > > Another highly proprietary solution to make up for the fact that they have > subjected the end user to an unecessarily proprietary solution. And yet because it is basically automatic, far more end users are now actually keeping data backups, as opposed to past systems which weren't as integrated which facilitated them actually being used. In other words, a "perfectly open" data backup system is inferior when its structure is such that significantly fewer people actually end up using it. > [deletia] Stuff that "Ron" dodged too: --> how did Apple force him to repeatedly drop his phone? --> how did Apple force him to make bad decisions for 3rd party apps? --> Of those ~300 Linux Distributions, which one(s) come with both of the above 'missing' tools? Including which ones prevent you from dropping your phone? Be specific. Of course, since it is JED, we can expect the answer to be vague platitudes. -hh
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| From | Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> |
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| Date | 2014-12-29 23:56 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <m7sm5v$2sc$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #273483 |
-hh wrote: > JEDIDIAH wrote: >> > -hh wrote: >> >> >> >> So then "Ron": exactly how did Apple 'sabotage' this user by forcing >> >> him >> >> to not follow good IT protocols by not having data backups? And don't >> >> They created a black box that can no longer be treated as "just a >> bunch >> of files" by the end user. They created a situation where recovery of >> data by hand is complicated more than it needs to be. > > Except that you're choosing to look through a keyhole at one very small > element, rather than the entire picture. > > From a system architecture perspective, Apple certainly did "hide" a lot > of files from the end user ... and that means that 99% of the time, the > end user can't see them to mess them up. > > Similarly, when the system works as designed, there is ZERO 'need' to ever > recover individual files on the cellphone ... because it does not also > serve > as the Master data repository: the Master is kept on a PC and/or Cloud. > > >> >> neglect to account for how Apple went out of their way to bundle the >> >> backup app of Time Machine into their product. >> >> Another highly proprietary solution to make up for the fact that they >> have >> subjected the end user to an unecessarily proprietary solution. > > And yet because it is basically automatic, far more end users are now > actually keeping data backups, as opposed to past systems which weren't as > integrated which facilitated them actually being used. > > In other words, a "perfectly open" data backup system is inferior when its > structure is such that significantly fewer people actually end up using > it. Thats blatant bullshit. Time machien is useless if users don't run it. Just as with every other backup solution available. Additionally, it has absolutely no advantages over backup programs available for example for KDE
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2014-12-29 15:31 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <411672d8-9a31-407b-bb1e-15ca17f2feeb@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #273484 |
Peter Köhlmann wrote: > -hh wrote: > > JEDIDIAH wrote: > >> > -hh wrote: > >> >> > >> >> neglect to account for how Apple went out of their way to bundle the > >> >> backup app of Time Machine into their product. > >> > >> Another highly proprietary solution to make up for the fact that they > >> have subjected the end user to an unecessarily proprietary solution. > > > > And yet because it is basically automatic, far more end users are now > > actually keeping data backups, as opposed to past systems which weren't as > > integrated which facilitated them actually being used. > > > > In other words, a "perfectly open" data backup system is inferior when its > > structure is such that significantly fewer people actually end up using > > it. > > Thats blatant bullshit. Time machien is useless if users don't run it. > Just as with every other backup solution available. True enough...but it isn't the same as "every other" one out there, because it comes baked in, which makes it 'brain dead' easy for the end user. > Additionally, it has absolutely no advantages over backup programs available > for example for KDE Care to materially demonstrate that claim, Peter? Quite frankly, I doubt that KDE does any better than average, which is that only 6% make daily backups (FYI, TM does hourly): <https://www.backblaze.com/blog/94-of-computer-users-still-risk-data-loss/> And sure, the competition has gotten better over the past seven (7) years since Apple first shipped TM ... but ultimately, all that really matters are the actual rates of end users actually making regular data backups: good luck trying to show that Linux overall is statistically better at that than Mac ... or for that matter, even at parity. -hh
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-12-30 07:04 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <2d85aa9gqu7ko8mjm6mlprqc9r4nerf4dh@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #273484 |
Peter Köhlmann wrote: > lying asshole "-hh" wrote: >> >> And yet because it is basically automatic, far more end users are now >> actually keeping data backups, as opposed to past systems which weren't as >> integrated which facilitated them actually being used. >> >> In other words, a "perfectly open" data backup system is inferior when its >> structure is such that significantly fewer people actually end up using >> it. > >Thats blatant bullshit. Time machien is useless if users don't run it. >Just as with every other backup solution available. >Additionally, it has absolutely no advantages over backup programs available >for example for KDE Plus, the lying asshole is focusing on just one of several issues that the blogger complained about. "Time machine" does not solve the problems. For a small fraction of the market, the "Apple way" works well. For most of the market, there are better options. -- "I don't waste my time on idiot nyms who are too stupid too realize the FOSS software exists for operating systems other than Linux." - trolling fsckwit "Ezekiel"
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| From | -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> |
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| Date | 2014-12-30 05:55 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <72329c66-92df-4d14-86ad-2eb9137a209b@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #273529 |
chrisv wrote: > Peter Köhlmann wrote: > > > lying asshole "-hh" wrote: > >> > >> And yet because it is basically automatic, far more end users are now > >> actually keeping data backups, as opposed to past systems which weren't as > >> integrated which facilitated them actually being used. > >> > >> In other words, a "perfectly open" data backup system is inferior when its > >> structure is such that significantly fewer people actually end up using > >> it. > > > >Thats blatant bullshit. Time machien is useless if users don't run it. > >Just as with every other backup solution available. > >Additionally, it has absolutely no advantages over backup programs available > >for example for KDE > > Plus, the lying asshole is focusing on just one of several issues that > the blogger complained about. "Time machine" does not solve the > problems. Untrue, for had the blogger actually had a data backup to apply, he never would have encountred the subsequent problems, such as needing to go find the 'recovery software' which he attributed for his PC's malware infestation. But since this is COLA, stopping a problem in one step, upfront, somehow isn't good enough. > For a small fraction of the market, the "Apple way" works well. > For most of the market, there are better options. Where "...a small fraction..." is being tied for first place. chrisv believed that he was talking about OS X, where Windows is still at 90% share, but that's wrong: the blogger was actually using Windows and his complaint was with iTunes/iOS. In the mobile space, iOS & Android have been tied for first plact at 45% each (per netmarketshare.com) for the past six months. But since this is COLA, 45% gets claimed as "a small fraction". Readers can judge for themselves who the 'lying asshole' really is. -hh
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| From | Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> |
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| Date | 2014-12-30 09:17 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <m7uc5p$o1$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #273529 |
chrisv wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties: > -- > trolling fsckwit "Ezekiel" You give him too much credit. -- Software is like sex, it's better when it's free. -- Linus Torvalds
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| From | JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> |
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| Date | 2014-12-30 10:09 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <slrnma5jh0.3nb.jedi@nomad.mishnet> |
| In reply to | #273484 |
On 2014-12-29, Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
> -hh wrote:
>
>> JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>> > -hh wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> So then "Ron": exactly how did Apple 'sabotage' this user by forcing
>>> >> him
>>> >> to not follow good IT protocols by not having data backups? And don't
>>>
>>> They created a black box that can no longer be treated as "just a
>>> bunch
>>> of files" by the end user. They created a situation where recovery of
>>> data by hand is complicated more than it needs to be.
>>
>> Except that you're choosing to look through a keyhole at one very small
>> element, rather than the entire picture.
I am not the one that brought up "proper IT protocols" and blaming the
end user for not backing up a system that is intentionally obscured to the
end user.
You are.
>>
>>> >> neglect to account for how Apple went out of their way to bundle the
>>> >> backup app of Time Machine into their product.
>>>
>>> Another highly proprietary solution to make up for the fact that they
>>> have
>>> subjected the end user to an unecessarily proprietary solution.
>>
>> And yet because it is basically automatic, far more end users are now
>> actually keeping data backups, as opposed to past systems which weren't as
Automation does not require something to be unusually proprietary.
[deletia]
Apple just chooses to make it's customers as dependent as possible.
That is the exact opposite of the ideas that were supposed to be driving
Jobs and Wozniak in the beginning. Their current approach is much less
noble and a little anti-social really.
--
Oracle... can't live with it... |||
/ | \
can't just replace it with postgres...
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| From | Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> |
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| Date | 2014-12-30 10:47 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <cgg38uF18ruU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #273612 |
On 30 Dec 2014 10:09, JEDIDIAH wrote: > On 2014-12-29, Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote: >> -hh wrote: >> >>> JEDIDIAH wrote: >>>> > -hh wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> So then "Ron": exactly how did Apple 'sabotage' this user by forcing >>>> >> him >>>> >> to not follow good IT protocols by not having data backups? And don't >>>> >>>> They created a black box that can no longer be treated as "just a >>>> bunch >>>> of files" by the end user. They created a situation where recovery of >>>> data by hand is complicated more than it needs to be. >>> >>> Except that you're choosing to look through a keyhole at one very small >>> element, rather than the entire picture. > > I am not the one that brought up "proper IT protocols" and blaming the > end user for not backing up a system that is intentionally obscured to the > end user. > Except of course, backup is not 'obscure' on a Mac. Plug in an external HD and the first thing it will do is ask to use it for Time Machine. Then if the user chooses not to do that, any issue that arises that needs to access a backup is on the user, not Apple. > You are. > >>> >>>> >> neglect to account for how Apple went out of their way to bundle the >>>> >> backup app of Time Machine into their product. >>>> >>>> Another highly proprietary solution to make up for the fact that they >>>> have >>>> subjected the end user to an unecessarily proprietary solution. >>> >>> And yet because it is basically automatic, far more end users are now >>> actually keeping data backups, as opposed to past systems which weren't as > > Automation does not require something to be unusually proprietary. > > [deletia] > > Apple just chooses to make it's customers as dependent as possible. > That is the exact opposite of the ideas that were supposed to be driving > Jobs and Wozniak in the beginning. Their current approach is much less > noble and a little anti-social really. > Apple has developed an ecosystem that works better than anyone else. If that makes them 'dependent' on Apple then I have to wonder what the hell they are doing that makes it so. You don't have to use Apple's ecosystem with a Mac/iOS device, but it makes it so much better that most do. Same with Windows, you don't have to have a 'live' account to use Windows, there are just some benefits to doing so. > -- > Oracle... can't live with it... ||| > / | \ > can't just replace it with postgres... > -- Lloyd
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| From | Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> |
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| Date | 2014-12-30 18:07 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <m7um47$8fd$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #273622 |
Lloyd Parsons wrote: > On 30 Dec 2014 10:09, JEDIDIAH wrote: >> On 2014-12-29, Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote: >>> -hh wrote: >>> >>>> JEDIDIAH wrote: >>>>> > -hh wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> So then "Ron": exactly how did Apple 'sabotage' this user by >>>>> >> forcing him >>>>> >> to not follow good IT protocols by not having data backups? And >>>>> >> don't >>>>> >>>>> They created a black box that can no longer be treated as "just a >>>>> bunch >>>>> of files" by the end user. They created a situation where recovery of >>>>> data by hand is complicated more than it needs to be. >>>> >>>> Except that you're choosing to look through a keyhole at one very small >>>> element, rather than the entire picture. >> >> I am not the one that brought up "proper IT protocols" and blaming the >> end user for not backing up a system that is intentionally obscured to >> the end user. >> > Except of course, backup is not 'obscure' on a Mac. Plug in an > external HD and the first thing it will do is ask to use it for Time > Machine. > > Then if the user chooses not to do that, any issue that arises that > needs to access a backup is on the user, not Apple. > >> You are. >> >>>> >>>>> >> neglect to account for how Apple went out of their way to bundle >>>>> >> the backup app of Time Machine into their product. >>>>> >>>>> Another highly proprietary solution to make up for the fact that >>>>> they have >>>>> subjected the end user to an unecessarily proprietary solution. >>>> >>>> And yet because it is basically automatic, far more end users are now >>>> actually keeping data backups, as opposed to past systems which weren't >>>> as >> >> Automation does not require something to be unusually proprietary. >> >> [deletia] >> >> Apple just chooses to make it's customers as dependent as possible. >> That is the exact opposite of the ideas that were supposed to be driving >> Jobs and Wozniak in the beginning. Their current approach is much less >> noble and a little anti-social really. >> > Apple has developed an ecosystem that works better than anyone else. No. It works better for /some/ people. I actually hate my Mac, it is useless except for compiling Mac apps when running under OSX
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2014-12-30 11:43 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <rto5aa1ei6u8t8ud4kgm8q15hijacrb0lk@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #273627 |
Peter Köhlmann wrote: > "Lloyd" wrote: >> >> Apple has developed an ecosystem that works better than anyone else. LOL What a fanboi. >No. It works better for /some/ people. I actually hate my Mac, it is useless >except for compiling Mac apps when running under OSX Using a Mac is a painful experience. It's designed for morons. -- "What Microsoft did was bring computers to the masses and that's what got them to where they are today." - Ezekreep
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| From | Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> |
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| Date | 2014-12-30 12:05 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <cgg7qsF2h6nU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #273641 |
On 30 Dec 2014 11:43, chrisv wrote: > Peter Köhlmann wrote: > >> "Lloyd" wrote: >>> >>> Apple has developed an ecosystem that works better than anyone else. > > LOL What a fanboi. > Yeah, I'm a real fanboi. That's why I have both windows and mac stuff and use it every day for something. the only thing I don't use is Linux on the desktop. No advantage at all to using it unless I like fucking with the OS all the damned time. >>No. It works better for /some/ people. I actually hate my Mac, it is useless >>except for compiling Mac apps when running under OSX > > Using a Mac is a painful experience. It's designed for morons. > And Linux is so damned good on the desktop that you use WINDOWS! -- Lloyd
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2014-12-30 12:36 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D0C84CC5.45901%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #273645 |
On 12/30/14, 11:05 AM, in article cgg7qsF2h6nU1@mid.individual.net, "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: > On 30 Dec 2014 11:43, chrisv wrote: >> Peter Köhlmann wrote: >> >>> "Lloyd" wrote: >>>> >>>> Apple has developed an ecosystem that works better than anyone else. >> >> LOL What a fanboi. >> > Yeah, I'm a real fanboi. That's why I have both windows and mac stuff > and use it every day for something. > > the only thing I don't use is Linux on the desktop. No advantage at > all to using it unless I like fucking with the OS all the damned time. The term "fanboi" means someone not in their herd. >>> No. It works better for /some/ people. I actually hate my Mac, it is > useless >>> except for compiling Mac apps when running under OSX >> >> Using a Mac is a painful experience. It's designed for morons. >> > And Linux is so damned good on the desktop that you use WINDOWS! But look at all the people flocking to Linux. Someday it will get 2% usage... while being free. -- * Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mavericks / Pages 5.1: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk> * OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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