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| From | Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.advocacy |
| Subject | Re: "Goodbye to Apple" |
| Date | 2014-12-30 10:47 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <cgg38uF18ruU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | (6 earlier) <54A1315C.5040407@smartchat.net.au> <slrnma33bo.77a.jedi@nomad.mishnet> <3c03b722-b747-40a6-9e13-53627a6f427a@googlegroups.com> <m7sm5v$2sc$1@dont-email.me> <slrnma5jh0.3nb.jedi@nomad.mishnet> |
On 30 Dec 2014 10:09, JEDIDIAH wrote: > On 2014-12-29, Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote: >> -hh wrote: >> >>> JEDIDIAH wrote: >>>> > -hh wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> So then "Ron": exactly how did Apple 'sabotage' this user by forcing >>>> >> him >>>> >> to not follow good IT protocols by not having data backups? And don't >>>> >>>> They created a black box that can no longer be treated as "just a >>>> bunch >>>> of files" by the end user. They created a situation where recovery of >>>> data by hand is complicated more than it needs to be. >>> >>> Except that you're choosing to look through a keyhole at one very small >>> element, rather than the entire picture. > > I am not the one that brought up "proper IT protocols" and blaming the > end user for not backing up a system that is intentionally obscured to the > end user. > Except of course, backup is not 'obscure' on a Mac. Plug in an external HD and the first thing it will do is ask to use it for Time Machine. Then if the user chooses not to do that, any issue that arises that needs to access a backup is on the user, not Apple. > You are. > >>> >>>> >> neglect to account for how Apple went out of their way to bundle the >>>> >> backup app of Time Machine into their product. >>>> >>>> Another highly proprietary solution to make up for the fact that they >>>> have >>>> subjected the end user to an unecessarily proprietary solution. >>> >>> And yet because it is basically automatic, far more end users are now >>> actually keeping data backups, as opposed to past systems which weren't as > > Automation does not require something to be unusually proprietary. > > [deletia] > > Apple just chooses to make it's customers as dependent as possible. > That is the exact opposite of the ideas that were supposed to be driving > Jobs and Wozniak in the beginning. Their current approach is much less > noble and a little anti-social really. > Apple has developed an ecosystem that works better than anyone else. If that makes them 'dependent' on Apple then I have to wonder what the hell they are doing that makes it so. You don't have to use Apple's ecosystem with a Mac/iOS device, but it makes it so much better that most do. Same with Windows, you don't have to have a 'live' account to use Windows, there are just some benefits to doing so. > -- > Oracle... can't live with it... ||| > / | \ > can't just replace it with postgres... > -- Lloyd
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"Goodbye to Apple" chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-12-27 08:01 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-27 09:07 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-12-27 08:24 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-12-27 19:10 +0000
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-12-27 13:16 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-12-27 19:29 +0000
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-12-27 16:05 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-12-27 19:58 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-12-29 10:40 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-12-29 14:20 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-12-27 19:57 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-12-29 10:42 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-12-29 12:22 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-12-29 11:42 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-29 11:33 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-12-30 11:25 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-12-29 10:31 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-12-29 12:21 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-29 10:22 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-29 10:21 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-12-29 14:23 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-12-29 22:13 +0100
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-12-30 10:05 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-30 09:20 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-12-30 10:23 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-12-30 18:09 +0100
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-12-30 11:40 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-12-30 21:44 +0100
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-30 16:14 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-12-30 22:30 +0100
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-30 16:34 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-12-30 22:42 +0100
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-12-30 19:50 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-30 19:52 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-12-31 10:04 +0100
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-12-31 05:51 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-12-31 06:46 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-31 10:36 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-31 10:26 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-30 19:38 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-12-30 21:56 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-30 20:45 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-12-31 11:10 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-30 10:42 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-12-30 09:43 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-12-30 13:18 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-12-30 21:37 +0100
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-12-30 12:51 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-30 16:12 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-12-30 16:25 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-30 14:54 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-12-30 21:35 +0100
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-30 15:37 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-12-30 15:42 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2014-12-29 13:04 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-29 11:38 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-12-27 16:03 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-12-27 20:00 -0600
"Goodbye to Apple" -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-12-27 06:13 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-12-27 19:13 +0000
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-12-27 19:10 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Ron House <rhouse@smartchat.net.au> - 2014-12-28 16:01 +1000
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-12-28 04:43 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Ron House <rhouse@smartchat.net.au> - 2014-12-29 20:47 +1000
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-12-29 03:54 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Ron House <rhouse@smartchat.net.au> - 2014-12-29 23:14 +1000
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-12-29 10:25 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-12-29 11:20 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-12-29 14:51 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-12-29 23:56 +0100
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-12-29 15:31 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-12-30 07:04 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-12-30 05:55 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-12-30 09:17 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-12-30 10:09 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-12-30 10:47 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-12-30 18:07 +0100
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-12-30 11:43 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-12-30 12:05 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-30 12:36 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-12-30 15:40 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-30 13:47 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-12-30 13:25 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2014-12-30 13:52 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-12-30 14:00 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-30 10:43 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-12-30 14:01 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2014-12-30 15:12 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-12-30 21:33 +0100
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-12-30 12:36 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2014-12-30 15:40 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-12-30 16:05 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-12-30 17:15 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2014-12-30 17:21 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-01-01 19:02 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-12-30 14:49 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-12-30 14:46 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-12-30 16:02 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-12-30 13:15 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-12-30 10:33 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2014-12-30 14:27 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2014-12-30 11:36 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-30 15:06 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-12-30 14:48 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-12-30 14:04 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-12-30 14:47 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-12-30 12:54 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-12-30 22:09 +0100
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-12-30 21:59 +0100
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-12-28 04:45 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-12-29 06:59 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-12-29 15:03 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2014-12-30 11:23 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" TomB <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> - 2014-12-28 08:20 +0000
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Goblin <bytes4free@gmail.com> - 2014-12-28 02:22 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Tattoo Vampire <sitting@this.computer> - 2014-12-28 10:22 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-12-29 06:10 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Tattoo Vampire <sitting@this.computer> - 2014-12-29 08:20 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2014-12-29 13:45 +0000
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Tattoo Vampire <sitting@this.computer> - 2014-12-30 07:55 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-12-29 10:06 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2014-12-29 10:16 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-12-29 10:21 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-12-29 10:06 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2014-12-29 09:22 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-12-29 11:49 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-12-29 13:18 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-29 11:39 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-12-29 13:04 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2014-12-29 13:50 +0000
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2014-12-29 23:39 +0100
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Tattoo Vampire <sitting@this.computer> - 2014-12-30 07:58 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2014-12-30 13:32 +0000
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-01-01 08:04 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2014-12-30 09:15 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-01-01 13:06 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-12-29 11:23 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-29 10:35 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-28 11:28 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-12-28 07:05 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-28 10:43 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-12-28 10:06 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-28 10:27 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-28 11:29 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" TomB <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> - 2014-12-28 18:51 +0000
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-12-28 12:54 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-12-28 11:27 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-12-28 13:33 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-12-28 12:52 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-28 14:19 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" charlescroyden3@gmail.com - 2014-12-28 13:23 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-28 15:57 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-12-28 15:20 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-28 14:35 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-28 14:29 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-28 14:13 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" TomB <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> - 2014-12-30 12:37 +0000
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-12-30 08:08 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-12-30 06:54 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-30 10:05 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" TomB <tommy.bongaerts@gmail.com> - 2014-12-30 21:46 +0000
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2014-12-30 14:20 -0800
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-30 18:42 -0500
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-30 08:02 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-12-30 09:42 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-30 08:58 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2014-12-29 11:18 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-29 10:36 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2014-12-27 08:27 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2014-12-27 19:14 +0000
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2014-12-29 11:39 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2014-12-29 11:32 -0700
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-01-01 13:22 -0600
Re: "Goodbye to Apple" Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2015-01-01 13:41 -0600
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