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Re: Word Zero Day Flaw out in the Wild

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Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 10:14:02 AM UTC-6, owl wrote:
>> Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 9:24:01 AM UTC-6, owl wrote:
>> >> Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 12:29:34 PM UTC-6, owl wrote:
>> >> >> Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 11:53:11 AM UTC-6, owl wrote:
>> >> >> >> Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 10:54:29 AM UTC-6, DFS wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On 4/11/2017 11:52 AM, Steve Carroll wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> > On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 8:13:21 AM UTC-6, DFS wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >> >> Virtually 100% of the forgers are due to you and Sandman.
>> >> >> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >> >> > LOL! It's not surprising at all that a guy who doesn't know what
>> >> >> >> >> > sexual harassment is
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >> Say what?  You can't sexually harass a newsgroup nym.
>> >> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >> > Sexual harassment isn't limited to a legal term, Perry. Just like a person calling himself "owl" can be trolled on usenet,
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.guitar/2007-04/msg04770.html
>> >> >> >> Truth hurts.
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > LOL! 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_(Jeff_Beck_album)>
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > Providing this wasn't just a troll (and it almost certainly is), notable is the fact that, of the players he listed, he even acknowledged:
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > "But I kept thinking maybe he USED TO BE GOOD, a long time ago, MAYBE that's why it seems like all the guitarists that I like kiss Jeff Becks ass and worship him so much."
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > Obvious question: What do "all the guitarists" (not some, *all*) that he likes know that he doesn't? 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> They know that the unwritten law is that you must not speak the truth
>> >> >> that Jeff Beck sucks.
>> >> > 
>> >> > Yeah, that must be it <eyeroll>.
>> >> > 
>> >> >> > My money says the guy is a young(er) wanker... if he even really plays at all. Anyone who can listen to Blow by Blow or Wired and come away with the idea that "Jeff Beck is a horrible excuse for a guitar player" has a valueless opinion on guitar playing. 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> I saw accidentally saw that fool in '76 at a Bicentennial concert along
>> >> >> with Black Oak, Aerosmith, and Bob Seger IIRC.  Rainbow was supposed to
>> >> >> be there but was a no-show.  Blackmore must not have been able to stomach 
>> >> >> an hour of Beck's "hot licks".  Can't say as I blame him.
>> >> > 
>> >> > Nah... it was because he knew someday Beck would win this half a dozen times (voted upon by his peers)...
>> >> > 
>> >> 
>> >> It's a law.  (See above).
>> >> 
>> >> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammy_Award_for_Best_Rock_Instrumental_Performance>
>> >> > 
>> >> > ... and be voted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame...  *twice* ;)
>> >> > 
>> >> 
>> >> This would never happen with a Jeff Beck "song."
>> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6BpJThrTok
>> > 
>> > Exactly ;)
>> > 
>> > JB's style is based on a lot of specialized technique that goes past the 'shredder' idea. Years ago, when he dumped the pick, this became much more noticeable to the general guitar playing public (but maybe not so much to the general public).
>> 
>> Beck's style goes beyond the *music* idea.  Finger picking doesn't 
>> seem to keep Mark Knopfler or Lindsey Buckingham from playing music.
> 
> Like I said, it's about the music for you. Do you play an instrument? My guess is no. For me, I can even hate the music while recognizing the musicianship. Knopfler and Buckingham are fine players but they're not innovators, Beck is. He's pushed the envelope of what can be done the same way Hendrix did. Look, making great melodies with pentatonic scales or modes is all well and good but certain players go beyond that... and you aren't familiar with the some of the sounds so it grates on you. The same thing happens for many who listen to jazz, they just don't understand what the intrigue is. This isn't a slight, it's a fact based on music being a language. If you only use (or only listen to) a few of the available language components you get a relatively generic conversation (i.e. the blues are 'boring' to a lot of people). Even limiting yourself to the traditional (Western) 12 tone scale, music can be much more than that, even a simple 3 chord blues progression can be far more exciting when superimposition comes into play.
> 

Racket is not music, just because it is composed of notes.  Beck may be
an "innovator," but he's not a musician.  What's the point of playing
any musical instrument if you're not going to play *music* on it?
 

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  Re: Word Zero Day Flaw out in the Wild DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-04-11 12:55 -0400
    Re: Word Zero Day Flaw out in the Wild Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 10:13 -0700
      Re: Word Zero Day Flaw out in the Wild owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-11 17:53 +0000
        Re: Word Zero Day Flaw out in the Wild Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 11:15 -0700
          Re: Word Zero Day Flaw out in the Wild owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-11 18:29 +0000
            Re: Word Zero Day Flaw out in the Wild Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 13:36 -0700
              Re: Word Zero Day Flaw out in the Wild owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-12 15:24 +0000
                Re: Word Zero Day Flaw out in the Wild Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 09:04 -0700
                Re: Word Zero Day Flaw out in the Wild owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-12 16:14 +0000
                Re: Word Zero Day Flaw out in the Wild Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 09:39 -0700
                Re: Word Zero Day Flaw out in the Wild owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-12 17:08 +0000
                Re: Word Zero Day Flaw out in the Wild Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 10:18 -0700
                Re: Word Zero Day Flaw out in the Wild Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2017-04-12 13:57 -0400
                Re: Word Zero Day Flaw out in the Wild sbd <sbd.pambu@safe-mail.net> - 2017-04-12 20:35 -0300
                Re: Word Zero Day Flaw out in the Wild owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2017-04-13 00:20 +0000
                Re: Word Zero Day Flaw out in the Wild Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 18:43 -0700
                Re: Word Zero Day Flaw out in the Wild DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-04-12 12:25 -0400
                Re: Word Zero Day Flaw out in the Wild Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 10:17 -0700
                Re: Word Zero Day Flaw out in the Wild DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-04-13 08:58 -0400
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        Re: Word Zero Day Flaw out in the Wild DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-04-11 17:11 -0400
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        Re: Word Zero Day Flaw out in the Wild DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-04-11 17:59 -0400
          Re: Word Zero Day Flaw out in the Wild Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2017-04-12 00:00 +0200
            Re: Word Zero Day Flaw out in the Wild DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-04-11 18:17 -0400
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                Re: Word Zero Day Flaw out in the Wild Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-12 09:35 -0700
                Re: Word Zero Day Flaw out in the Wild DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-04-12 10:02 -0400
              Re: Word Zero Day Flaw out in the Wild DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-04-12 08:55 -0400
              Re: Word Zero Day Flaw out in the Wild DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-04-13 08:55 -0400
          Re: Word Zero Day Flaw out in the Wild Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-11 15:19 -0700
          Re: Word Zero Day Flaw out in the Wild Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 15:38 -0700
            Re: Word Zero Day Flaw out in the Wild Mark Garcia <markymark1901z@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-11 22:57 +0000
              Re: Word Zero Day Flaw out in the Wild Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-11 17:36 -0700
            Re: Word Zero Day Flaw out in the Wild DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-04-12 10:02 -0400
              Re: Word Zero Day Flaw out in the Wild Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 08:58 -0700
              Re: Word Zero Day Flaw out in the Wild Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-12 09:34 -0700
                Re: Word Zero Day Flaw out in the Wild Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 10:39 -0700
                Re: Word Zero Day Flaw out in the Wild DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2017-04-13 08:41 -0400
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