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Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2023-12-09 18:21 +1300
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2023-12-09 05:46 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-09 07:00 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2023-12-09 06:11 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-09 03:59 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-09 13:20 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-09 17:06 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-09 14:22 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-09 08:16 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-09 13:41 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2023-12-09 13:48 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-09 14:37 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-09 17:27 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-09 14:37 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-09 17:28 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-09 14:40 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-09 17:18 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-09 13:12 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-09 15:26 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-09 20:45 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-09 16:05 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-09 22:21 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-09 17:04 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-10 00:24 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-10 13:20 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-10 14:09 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-10 10:38 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-10 08:26 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-13 13:16 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-13 08:58 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-13 11:11 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Dave Royal<dave@dave123royal.com> - 2023-12-13 15:26 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-13 14:17 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-14 08:12 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-14 08:08 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-10 00:22 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-10 10:38 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-10 13:22 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-10 08:29 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-10 19:22 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 12:23 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-11 09:16 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-11 10:18 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2023-12-10 17:14 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-10 19:21 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 12:24 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2023-12-11 16:28 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Bernd Froehlich <befr@eaglesoft.de> - 2023-12-11 08:19 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 12:28 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2023-12-11 16:29 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-11 09:15 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 15:38 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-11 09:41 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-11 15:23 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-11 13:04 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-11 18:31 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-11 10:41 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-11 10:38 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Dave Royal<dave@dave123royal.com> - 2023-12-11 16:08 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 19:25 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Dave Royal<dave@dave123royal.com> - 2023-12-11 19:09 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-11 14:31 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 23:51 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Dave Royal<dave@dave123royal.com> - 2023-12-12 08:27 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-12 10:13 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-12 08:34 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-13 13:19 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-11 13:29 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Larry Wolff <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> - 2023-12-11 14:17 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Bradley <bradley@nospam.com> - 2023-12-11 14:35 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 23:55 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 23:57 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-11 20:04 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-15 08:11 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-10 10:37 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-10 13:24 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-10 19:46 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-12 10:17 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-09 16:25 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Larry Wolff <larrywolff@larrywolff.net> - 2023-12-09 23:29 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-09 14:35 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-09 07:45 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-09 08:12 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-09 16:03 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-09 17:35 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-09 13:00 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-09 18:47 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-09 15:25 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-09 14:31 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-09 15:37 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-09 19:56 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-09 16:37 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-10 15:20 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 12:30 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-11 15:23 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-11 19:18 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-09 20:48 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-09 20:22 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-09 22:25 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-09 17:07 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2023-12-10 00:21 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Patrick <patrick@oleary.com> - 2023-12-09 22:42 -0600
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-10 08:18 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Patrick <patrick@oleary.com> - 2023-12-11 08:47 -0600
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-11 10:19 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-11 15:44 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-11 13:10 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2023-12-11 19:03 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-11 15:56 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2023-12-11 18:57 -0800
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2023-12-12 15:47 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-12 18:38 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2023-12-12 14:45 -0800
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2023-12-13 01:18 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-12 22:06 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2023-12-12 18:15 -0800
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2023-12-13 04:06 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-13 01:45 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2023-12-12 23:25 -0800
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2023-12-13 16:26 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-13 13:15 -0400
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2023-12-13 19:44 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2023-12-13 14:07 -0800
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2023-12-11 15:12 -0500
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2023-12-11 16:35 +0000
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2023-12-11 18:56 +0100
Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> - 2023-12-09 15:26 -0400
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-12-09 18:21 +1300 |
| Subject | Re: Beeper Mini: Latest Android app to emulate iMessage protocol |
| Message-ID | <ul0tg0$23uaj$1@dont-email.me> |
On 2023-12-09 01:57:47 +0000, Tyrone said: > On Dec 8, 2023 at 7:12:02 PM EST, "Alan Browne" <bitbucket@blackhole.com> > wrote: >> >> https://finance.yahoo.com/news/app-gives-android-users-ability-092001890.html >> >> Beeper Mini reverse engineers iMessage's protocol's to register non >> Apple phones on the Apple iCloud data base. >> >> Reverse engineering a protocol is not illegal in the US and Canada. >> >> I'm less sure that using such to "register" a non Apple device's phone >> number on the Apple servers would not violate Apple's terms of service. >> To be seen. > > As expected, Apple has already killed this. Did anyone REALLY think Apple > would permit this? > > Why don't you jealous Android dweebs just get an iPhone and get over it? It's only brainless morons who give a crap about what stupid colour a bubble is in a messaging app anyway. :-\
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| From | Tyrone <none@none.none> |
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| Date | 2023-12-09 05:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <OXudnduARo6AYu74nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@supernews.com> |
| In reply to | #124412 |
On Dec 9, 2023 at 12:21:04 AM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > On 2023-12-09 01:57:47 +0000, Tyrone said: >> On Dec 8, 2023 at 7:12:02 PM EST, "Alan Browne" <bitbucket@blackhole.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> https://finance.yahoo.com/news/app-gives-android-users-ability-092001890.html >>> >>> Beeper Mini reverse engineers iMessage's protocol's to register non >>> Apple phones on the Apple iCloud data base. >>> >>> Reverse engineering a protocol is not illegal in the US and Canada. >>> >>> I'm less sure that using such to "register" a non Apple device's phone >>> number on the Apple servers would not violate Apple's terms of service. >>> To be seen. >> >> As expected, Apple has already killed this. Did anyone REALLY think Apple >> would permit this? >> >> Why don't you jealous Android dweebs just get an iPhone and get over it? > > It's only brainless morons who give a crap about what stupid colour a > bubble is in a messaging app anyway. :-\ Yep. Brainless morons = jealous Android users. They are literally "green with envy".
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-12-09 07:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ktie3jFsufbU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #124494 |
On 2023-12-09 06:46, Tyrone wrote:
> On Dec 9, 2023 at 12:21:04 AM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-12-09 01:57:47 +0000, Tyrone said:
>>> On Dec 8, 2023 at 7:12:02 PM EST, "Alan Browne" <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> https://finance.yahoo.com/news/app-gives-android-users-ability-092001890.html
>>>>
>>>> Beeper Mini reverse engineers iMessage's protocol's to register non
>>>> Apple phones on the Apple iCloud data base.
>>>>
>>>> Reverse engineering a protocol is not illegal in the US and Canada.
>>>>
>>>> I'm less sure that using such to "register" a non Apple device's phone
>>>> number on the Apple servers would not violate Apple's terms of service.
>>>> To be seen.
>>>
>>> As expected, Apple has already killed this. Did anyone REALLY think Apple
>>> would permit this?
>>>
>>> Why don't you jealous Android dweebs just get an iPhone and get over it?
>>
>> It's only brainless morons who give a crap about what stupid colour a
>> bubble is in a messaging app anyway. :-\
>
> Yep. Brainless morons = jealous Android users. They are literally "green with
> envy".
Us? Not at all. There is only 21% users of iphones here, they have
nobody to talk with on iMessage, so they come to WhatsApp :-P
Here they need to open up their walled garden, if they want to be able
to talk with anyone. Not our problem, but theirs.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
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| From | Tyrone <none@none.none> |
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| Date | 2023-12-09 06:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ypmdnYSBdtCUmOn4nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@supernews.com> |
| In reply to | #124512 |
On Dec 9, 2023 at 1:00:18 AM EST, ""Carlos E. R."" <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > On 2023-12-09 06:46, Tyrone wrote: >> On Dec 9, 2023 at 12:21:04 AM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >> >>> On 2023-12-09 01:57:47 +0000, Tyrone said: >>>> On Dec 8, 2023 at 7:12:02 PM EST, "Alan Browne" <bitbucket@blackhole.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> https://finance.yahoo.com/news/app-gives-android-users-ability-092001890.html >>>>> >>>>> Beeper Mini reverse engineers iMessage's protocol's to register non >>>>> Apple phones on the Apple iCloud data base. >>>>> >>>>> Reverse engineering a protocol is not illegal in the US and Canada. >>>>> >>>>> I'm less sure that using such to "register" a non Apple device's phone >>>>> number on the Apple servers would not violate Apple's terms of service. >>>>> To be seen. >>>> >>>> As expected, Apple has already killed this. Did anyone REALLY think Apple >>>> would permit this? >>>> >>>> Why don't you jealous Android dweebs just get an iPhone and get over it? >>> >>> It's only brainless morons who give a crap about what stupid colour a >>> bubble is in a messaging app anyway. :-\ >> >> Yep. Brainless morons = jealous Android users. They are literally "green with >> envy". > > Us? Not at all. There is only 21% users of iphones here, they have > nobody to talk with on iMessage, so they come to WhatsApp :-P > > Here they need to open up their walled garden, if they want to be able > to talk with anyone. Not our problem, but theirs. Nope. It is Android users wanting to use iMessage. No iPhone users are wanting to be Android users.
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| From | Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> |
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| Date | 2023-12-09 03:59 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ul16of$294kj$1@paganini.bofh.team> |
| In reply to | #124533 |
Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote
>> Here they need to open up their walled garden, if they want to be able
>> to talk with anyone. Not our problem, but theirs.
>
> Nope. It is Android users wanting to use iMessage. No iPhone users are
> wanting to be Android users.
There's no privacy possible on iOS, partially due to having to log into
the Apple iMessages server, which Android users don't have to ever do.
<https://i.postimg.cc/rwyGPpV9/locked-05.jpg>
If you don't log into Apple's mothership tracking servers every single day
of the rest of your life, then Apple will literally brick your iOS device.
<https://i.postimg.cc/7P7NCctS/locked-01.jpg>
*No privacy is possible on an iOS device.*
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-12-09 13:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ul1t3e.vv8.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #124533 |
Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote: > On Dec 9, 2023 at 1:00:18?AM EST, ""Carlos E. R."" <robin_listas@es.invalid> > wrote: > > > On 2023-12-09 06:46, Tyrone wrote: > >> On Dec 9, 2023 at 12:21:04?AM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > >> > >>> On 2023-12-09 01:57:47 +0000, Tyrone said: > >>>> On Dec 8, 2023 at 7:12:02?PM EST, "Alan Browne" <bitbucket@blackhole.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> https://finance.yahoo.com/news/app-gives-android-users-ability-092001890.html > >>>>> > >>>>> Beeper Mini reverse engineers iMessage's protocol's to register non > >>>>> Apple phones on the Apple iCloud data base. > >>>>> > >>>>> Reverse engineering a protocol is not illegal in the US and Canada. > >>>>> > >>>>> I'm less sure that using such to "register" a non Apple device's phone > >>>>> number on the Apple servers would not violate Apple's terms of service. > >>>>> To be seen. > >>>> > >>>> As expected, Apple has already killed this. Did anyone REALLY think Apple > >>>> would permit this? > >>>> > >>>> Why don't you jealous Android dweebs just get an iPhone and get over it? > >>> > >>> It's only brainless morons who give a crap about what stupid colour a > >>> bubble is in a messaging app anyway. :-\ > >> > >> Yep. Brainless morons = jealous Android users. They are literally > >> "green with envy". > > > > Us? Not at all. There is only 21% users of iphones here, they have > > nobody to talk with on iMessage, so they come to WhatsApp :-P > > > > Here they need to open up their walled garden, if they want to be able > > to talk with anyone. Not our problem, but theirs. > > Nope. It is Android users wanting to use iMessage. No iPhone users are > wanting to be Android users. And vice versa, but that's not the point Carlos is making. The point is that except for the US - and maybe NA - nobody cares about iMessage, because everyone - yes, *including* iPhone users - is using an IM platform which *is* cross-OS-platform. As Carlos said, for most that's WhatsApp. So we hate to break it to you, but the world does not revolve around Apple, nor the US (nor Android, nor ... ad infinitum).
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-12-09 17:06 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ktjhkeF8aeaU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #125297 |
On 2023-12-09 14:20, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
>> On Dec 9, 2023 at 1:00:18?AM EST, ""Carlos E. R."" <robin_listas@es.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2023-12-09 06:46, Tyrone wrote:
>>>> On Dec 9, 2023 at 12:21:04?AM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2023-12-09 01:57:47 +0000, Tyrone said:
>>>>>> On Dec 8, 2023 at 7:12:02?PM EST, "Alan Browne" <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://finance.yahoo.com/news/app-gives-android-users-ability-092001890.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Beeper Mini reverse engineers iMessage's protocol's to register non
>>>>>>> Apple phones on the Apple iCloud data base.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Reverse engineering a protocol is not illegal in the US and Canada.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm less sure that using such to "register" a non Apple device's phone
>>>>>>> number on the Apple servers would not violate Apple's terms of service.
>>>>>>> To be seen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As expected, Apple has already killed this. Did anyone REALLY think Apple
>>>>>> would permit this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why don't you jealous Android dweebs just get an iPhone and get over it?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's only brainless morons who give a crap about what stupid colour a
>>>>> bubble is in a messaging app anyway. :-\
>>>>
>>>> Yep. Brainless morons = jealous Android users. They are literally
>>>> "green with envy".
>>>
>>> Us? Not at all. There is only 21% users of iphones here, they have
>>> nobody to talk with on iMessage, so they come to WhatsApp :-P
>>>
>>> Here they need to open up their walled garden, if they want to be able
>>> to talk with anyone. Not our problem, but theirs.
>>
>> Nope. It is Android users wanting to use iMessage. No iPhone users are
>> wanting to be Android users.
>
> And vice versa, but that's not the point Carlos is making.
>
> The point is that except for the US - and maybe NA - nobody cares
> about iMessage, because everyone - yes, *including* iPhone users - is
> using an IM platform which *is* cross-OS-platform. As Carlos said, for
> most that's WhatsApp.
>
> So we hate to break it to you, but the world does not revolve around
> Apple, nor the US (nor Android, nor ... ad infinitum).
Yes, that is the point.
Maybe that's a point behind Apple decision to open up to RCS.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
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| From | Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-12-09 14:22 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ul2b9j$2b0t9$1@paganini.bofh.team> |
| In reply to | #125297 |
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote
> The point is that except for the US - and maybe NA - nobody cares
> about iMessage, because everyone - yes, *including* iPhone users - is
> using an IM platform which *is* cross-OS-platform. As Carlos said, for
> most that's WhatsApp.
At least default Android messaging apps don't need you to log into an
Internet server just to send short messages to people around the world.
While it's clear this "tyrone" is one of the iKooks and hence this thread
was an attempt to troll the Android users, not only are both Frank & Carlos
correct that most non-USA users have a cellular charging system such that
they use WhatsApp (or WeChat) for most of their short messaging needs...
But even in the USA, what iKooks don't realize is the iMessage servers are
not different in that way from any other Internet based messaging service.
*iMessage === WhatsApp*
(works the same)
There is *no privacy on iOS* as a direct result of the need to constantly
do everything on Apple's servers - instead of directly through the carrier.
BTW, there's no privacy on WhatsApp either (for the same reasons).
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| From | Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-12-09 08:16 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <wMZcN.9273$7sbb.9229@fx16.iad> |
| In reply to | #124512 |
On 2023-12-09 01:00, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2023-12-09 06:46, Tyrone wrote: >> On Dec 9, 2023 at 12:21:04 AM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> >> wrote: >> >>> On 2023-12-09 01:57:47 +0000, Tyrone said: >>>> On Dec 8, 2023 at 7:12:02 PM EST, "Alan Browne" >>>> <bitbucket@blackhole.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> https://finance.yahoo.com/news/app-gives-android-users-ability-092001890.html >>>>> >>>>> Beeper Mini reverse engineers iMessage's protocol's to register non >>>>> Apple phones on the Apple iCloud data base. >>>>> >>>>> Reverse engineering a protocol is not illegal in the US and Canada. >>>>> >>>>> I'm less sure that using such to "register" a non Apple device's phone >>>>> number on the Apple servers would not violate Apple's terms of >>>>> service. >>>>> To be seen. >>>> >>>> As expected, Apple has already killed this. Did anyone REALLY think >>>> Apple >>>> would permit this? >>>> >>>> Why don't you jealous Android dweebs just get an iPhone and get over >>>> it? >>> >>> It's only brainless morons who give a crap about what stupid colour a >>> bubble is in a messaging app anyway. :-\ >> >> Yep. Brainless morons = jealous Android users. They are literally >> "green with >> envy". > > Us? Not at all. There is only 21% users of iphones here, they have > nobody to talk with on iMessage, so they come to WhatsApp :-P Owned by Meta (Facebook) where the user is the product. I'd try to get people to switch to something independent such as Signal. But I get that people ended up on WhatsApp because of their Facebook account. Pity - hard to break such bonds. > Here they need to open up their walled garden, if they want to be able > to talk with anyone. Not our problem, but theirs. No walled garden: Apple devices roam wherever they want. A walled garden means self contained and limiting. Fabulous eco-system, OTOH. -- “Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.” - John Maynard Keynes.
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-12-09 13:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ul1u9k.k0g.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #125281 |
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: > On 2023-12-09 01:00, Carlos E. R. wrote: > > On 2023-12-09 06:46, Tyrone wrote: > >> On Dec 9, 2023 at 12:21:04?AM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> On 2023-12-09 01:57:47 +0000, Tyrone said: > >>>> On Dec 8, 2023 at 7:12:02?PM EST, "Alan Browne" > >>>> <bitbucket@blackhole.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> https://finance.yahoo.com/news/app-gives-android-users-ability-092001890.html > >>>>> > >>>>> Beeper Mini reverse engineers iMessage's protocol's to register non > >>>>> Apple phones on the Apple iCloud data base. > >>>>> > >>>>> Reverse engineering a protocol is not illegal in the US and Canada. > >>>>> > >>>>> I'm less sure that using such to "register" a non Apple device's phone > >>>>> number on the Apple servers would not violate Apple's terms of > >>>>> service. > >>>>> To be seen. > >>>> > >>>> As expected, Apple has already killed this. Did anyone REALLY think > >>>> Apple > >>>> would permit this? > >>>> > >>>> Why don't you jealous Android dweebs just get an iPhone and get over > >>>> it? > >>> > >>> It's only brainless morons who give a crap about what stupid colour a > >>> bubble is in a messaging app anyway. :-\ > >> > >> Yep. Brainless morons = jealous Android users. They are literally > >> "green with > >> envy". > > > > Us? Not at all. There is only 21% users of iphones here, they have > > nobody to talk with on iMessage, so they come to WhatsApp :-P > > Owned by Meta (Facebook) where the user is the product. WhatsApp is quite seperate from Facebook. WhatsApp's legal documents are quite specific about WhatsApp *not* sharing user data with Facebook. But of course some people revel on FUD, urban legends, etc., so this kind of misinformation will never cease. People actually *using* WhatsApp, know better. > I'd try to get people to switch to something independent such as Signal. > > But I get that people ended up on WhatsApp because of their Facebook > account. Pity - hard to break such bonds. In Europe and probably also elsewhere where WhatsApp is popular, it's probably mostly the other way around. Many people already used WhatsApp before it was bought by Facebook and many people use WhatsApp without having a Facebook account. FWIW, I've a WhatsApp 'account', but no Facebook account. [This space is intentionally left blank for the 'shadow Facdebook account' urban legend.] > > Here they need to open up their walled garden, if they want to be able > > to talk with anyone. Not our problem, but theirs. > > No walled garden: Apple devices roam wherever they want. A walled > garden means self contained and limiting. I think Carlos is referring to Apple (and others) needing to open up to interoperate with other (than iMessage) IM platforms to conform to upcoming EU regulation. > Fabulous eco-system, OTOH. Good on you!
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| From | Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-12-09 13:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ktj9iaFj36U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #125362 |
Frank Slootweg wrote: > WhatsApp is quite seperate from Facebook. WhatsApp's legal documents > are quite specific about WhatsAppnot sharing user data with Facebook. You might class *this* as FUD, but what's to stop them changing the legal arrangements?
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-12-09 14:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ul21k1.rdo.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #125390 |
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote: > Frank Slootweg wrote: > > > WhatsApp is quite seperate from Facebook. WhatsApp's legal documents > > are quite specific about WhatsAppnot sharing user data with Facebook. > > You might class *this* as FUD, but what's to stop them changing the > legal arrangements? Well, those legal arrangements are documented on their website (<https://www.whatsapp.com/legal/>) and if they want to change them, they'll have to inform their users. (IIRC, quite some time ago they were planning to change some privacy related aspect, but backed down when it came known in the press.) Also note that the legal situation in the 'European Region' (which includes the UK) is much more strict than elsewhere. Bottom line is that there is a lot of FUD, urban legends, etc. about WhatsApp's alleged lack of privacy, but no facts, proof, etc.. We (SWMBO and I) can only speak from experience. Two WhatsApp accounts for nearly eight years without any ill effect whatsoever. Our acquaintances (family, friends, etc.) have similar experience.
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-12-09 17:27 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ktjiroF8ae9U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #125549 |
On 2023-12-09 15:37, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>> Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>
>>> WhatsApp is quite seperate from Facebook. WhatsApp's legal documents
>>> are quite specific about WhatsAppnot sharing user data with Facebook.
>>
>> You might class *this* as FUD, but what's to stop them changing the
>> legal arrangements?
>
> Well, those legal arrangements are documented on their website
> (<https://www.whatsapp.com/legal/>) and if they want to change them,
> they'll have to inform their users. (IIRC, quite some time ago they were
> planning to change some privacy related aspect, but backed down when it
> came known in the press.)
And those changes could be against the EU regulations, and we let them know.
> Also note that the legal situation in the 'European Region' (which
> includes the UK) is much more strict than elsewhere.
>
> Bottom line is that there is a lot of FUD, urban legends, etc. about
> WhatsApp's alleged lack of privacy, but no facts, proof, etc..
>
> We (SWMBO and I) can only speak from experience. Two WhatsApp accounts
> for nearly eight years without any ill effect whatsoever. Our
> acquaintances (family, friends, etc.) have similar experience.
Yes, same here.
I don't even get commercials, which would be the only manner to monetize.
Sometimes there is talk to charge for this or that, but no more than
rumours.
Well, with the exception of the free backup on the Google Drive cloud.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
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| From | Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-12-09 14:37 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ul2c5v$2b27q$1@paganini.bofh.team> |
| In reply to | #125390 |
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote
>> WhatsApp is quite seperate from Facebook. WhatsApp's legal documents
>> are quite specific about WhatsAppnot sharing user data with Facebook.
>
> You might class *this* as FUD, but what's to stop them changing the
> legal arrangements?
Hi Andy,
I doubt any of the iKooks even realize they are logging into iMessage
servers every day of their lives, just as WhatApp users do the same.
What's fundamentally different?
*iMessage === WhatsApp*
(works the same)
There is *no privacy on iOS* as a direct result of the need to constantly
do everything on Apple's servers - instead of directly through the carrier.
BTW, there's no privacy on WhatsApp either (for the same reasons).
I see nothing fundamentally different between the two in terms of privacy.
Do you?
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-12-09 17:28 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ktjit5F8ae9U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #125362 |
On 2023-12-09 14:41, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> On 2023-12-09 01:00, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2023-12-09 06:46, Tyrone wrote:
>>>> On Dec 9, 2023 at 12:21:04?AM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com>
>>>> wrote:
...
>>>>>> As expected, Apple has already killed this. Did anyone
>>>>>> REALLY think Apple would permit this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why don't you jealous Android dweebs just get an iPhone and get over
>>>>>> it?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's only brainless morons who give a crap about what stupid colour a
>>>>> bubble is in a messaging app anyway. :-\
>>>>
>>>> Yep. Brainless morons = jealous Android users. They are literally
>>>> "green with
>>>> envy".
>>>
>>> Us? Not at all. There is only 21% users of iphones here, they have
>>> nobody to talk with on iMessage, so they come to WhatsApp :-P
>>
>> Owned by Meta (Facebook) where the user is the product.
>
> WhatsApp is quite seperate from Facebook. WhatsApp's legal documents
> are quite specific about WhatsApp *not* sharing user data with Facebook.
>
> But of course some people revel on FUD, urban legends, etc., so this
> kind of misinformation will never cease.
>
> People actually *using* WhatsApp, know better.
>
>> I'd try to get people to switch to something independent such as Signal.
>>
>> But I get that people ended up on WhatsApp because of their Facebook
>> account. Pity - hard to break such bonds.
>
> In Europe and probably also elsewhere where WhatsApp is popular, it's
> probably mostly the other way around. Many people already used WhatsApp
> before it was bought by Facebook and many people use WhatsApp without
> having a Facebook account.
That's true, we started before Meta bought W.
> FWIW, I've a WhatsApp 'account', but no Facebook account. [This space
> is intentionally left blank for the 'shadow Facdebook account' urban
> legend.]
>
>>> Here they need to open up their walled garden, if they want to be able
>>> to talk with anyone. Not our problem, but theirs.
>>
>> No walled garden: Apple devices roam wherever they want. A walled
>> garden means self contained and limiting.
>
> I think Carlos is referring to Apple (and others) needing to open up
> to interoperate with other (than iMessage) IM platforms to conform to
> upcoming EU regulation.
That too.
But I simply meant that those on iMessage here can only talk with the
21% of users that have an iPhone, the rest are on Android. We don't have
any envy as you claim :-)
Opening up to RCS gives them more people to talk to. Apple can chose:
lose to Meta or lose to Google :-D
>
>> Fabulous eco-system, OTOH.
>
> Good on you!
Of course :-)
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
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| From | Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-12-09 14:40 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ul2cb8$2b2jm$1@paganini.bofh.team> |
| In reply to | #125923 |
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
> But I simply meant that those on iMessage here can only talk with the
> 21% of users that have an iPhone, the rest are on Android. We don't have
> any envy as you claim :-)
There is no fundamental difference between how iOS messages go through
Apple's iMessages servers than how WhatsApp messages go thru Meta's.
*iMessage === WhatsApp*
(works the same)
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-12-09 17:18 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ktji9pF8ae9U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #125281 |
On 2023-12-09 14:16, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2023-12-09 01:00, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2023-12-09 06:46, Tyrone wrote:
>>> On Dec 9, 2023 at 12:21:04 AM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2023-12-09 01:57:47 +0000, Tyrone said:
>>>>> On Dec 8, 2023 at 7:12:02 PM EST, "Alan Browne"
>>>>> <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://finance.yahoo.com/news/app-gives-android-users-ability-092001890.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Beeper Mini reverse engineers iMessage's protocol's to register non
>>>>>> Apple phones on the Apple iCloud data base.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Reverse engineering a protocol is not illegal in the US and Canada.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm less sure that using such to "register" a non Apple device's
>>>>>> phone
>>>>>> number on the Apple servers would not violate Apple's terms of
>>>>>> service.
>>>>>> To be seen.
>>>>>
>>>>> As expected, Apple has already killed this. Did anyone REALLY think
>>>>> Apple
>>>>> would permit this?
>>>>>
>>>>> Why don't you jealous Android dweebs just get an iPhone and get
>>>>> over it?
>>>>
>>>> It's only brainless morons who give a crap about what stupid colour a
>>>> bubble is in a messaging app anyway. :-\
>>>
>>> Yep. Brainless morons = jealous Android users. They are literally
>>> "green with
>>> envy".
>>
>> Us? Not at all. There is only 21% users of iphones here, they have
>> nobody to talk with on iMessage, so they come to WhatsApp :-P
>
> Owned by Meta (Facebook) where the user is the product.
Sure, but Meta doesn't sniff the conversations.
>
> I'd try to get people to switch to something independent such as Signal.
Not going to happen.
Years ago there was lots of noise about WhatsApp not being secure.
People tried other apps. Me myself have Signal an Telegram also
installed. I mananged to exchange a few messages on T, none on S. I know
some people ditched W. In the end, everybody is using W, except some
security concerned people in their islands.
>
> But I get that people ended up on WhatsApp because of their Facebook
> account. Pity - hard to break such bonds.
Not at all. I don't have FB on the phone, many people don't have
accounts there. You got it wrong.
W is used by preference because everybody uses it.
>
>> Here they need to open up their walled garden, if they want to be able
>> to talk with anyone. Not our problem, but theirs.
>
> No walled garden: Apple devices roam wherever they want. A walled
> garden means self contained and limiting.
>
> Fabulous eco-system, OTOH.
You got the point wrong :-D
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
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| From | Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-12-09 13:12 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <k62dN.536$IfLe.309@fx36.iad> |
| In reply to | #125882 |
On 2023-12-09 11:18, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2023-12-09 14:16, Alan Browne wrote: >> On 2023-12-09 01:00, Carlos E. R. wrote: >>> On 2023-12-09 06:46, Tyrone wrote: >>>> On Dec 9, 2023 at 12:21:04 AM EST, "Your Name" >>>> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2023-12-09 01:57:47 +0000, Tyrone said: >>>>>> On Dec 8, 2023 at 7:12:02 PM EST, "Alan Browne" >>>>>> <bitbucket@blackhole.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://finance.yahoo.com/news/app-gives-android-users-ability-092001890.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Beeper Mini reverse engineers iMessage's protocol's to register non >>>>>>> Apple phones on the Apple iCloud data base. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Reverse engineering a protocol is not illegal in the US and Canada. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm less sure that using such to "register" a non Apple device's >>>>>>> phone >>>>>>> number on the Apple servers would not violate Apple's terms of >>>>>>> service. >>>>>>> To be seen. >>>>>> >>>>>> As expected, Apple has already killed this. Did anyone REALLY >>>>>> think Apple >>>>>> would permit this? >>>>>> >>>>>> Why don't you jealous Android dweebs just get an iPhone and get >>>>>> over it? >>>>> >>>>> It's only brainless morons who give a crap about what stupid colour a >>>>> bubble is in a messaging app anyway. :-\ >>>> >>>> Yep. Brainless morons = jealous Android users. They are literally >>>> "green with >>>> envy". >>> >>> Us? Not at all. There is only 21% users of iphones here, they have >>> nobody to talk with on iMessage, so they come to WhatsApp :-P >> >> Owned by Meta (Facebook) where the user is the product. > > Sure, but Meta doesn't sniff the conversations. In proper E2E they wouldn't be able to. But you have to trust that that is what is happening. > >> >> I'd try to get people to switch to something independent such as Signal. > > Not going to happen. > > Years ago there was lots of noise about WhatsApp not being secure. > People tried other apps. Me myself have Signal an Telegram also > installed. I mananged to exchange a few messages on T, none on S. I know > some people ditched W. In the end, everybody is using W, except some > security concerned people in their islands. Historical inertia (eg: who gets there first and signs up the most users wins - why the world at large is still so Windows oriented). >> >> But I get that people ended up on WhatsApp because of their Facebook >> account. Pity - hard to break such bonds. > > Not at all. I don't have FB on the phone, many people don't have > accounts there. You got it wrong. > > W is used by preference because everybody uses it. And FB brought a large portion of them there - likely more than half (see my other reply to Mr. Slootweg). > >> >>> Here they need to open up their walled garden, if they want to be >>> able to talk with anyone. Not our problem, but theirs. >> >> No walled garden: Apple devices roam wherever they want. A walled >> garden means self contained and limiting. >> >> Fabulous eco-system, OTOH. > > You got the point wrong :-D Not at all. Apple's system is not a walled garden. More like an exclusive country club where you get more but can also go anywhere off of the club you want. -- “Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.” - John Maynard Keynes.
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| From | Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-12-09 15:26 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ul2f0p$2b6uu$1@paganini.bofh.team> |
| In reply to | #126098 |
Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote
>> Sure, but Meta doesn't sniff the conversations.
>
> In proper E2E they wouldn't be able to.
> But you have to trust that that is what is happening.
The iKooks don't realize that they're both exactly the same process.
There is no fundamental difference between how iOS messages go through
Apple's iMessages servers than how WhatsApp messages go thru Meta's.
*iMessage === WhatsApp*
(works the same)
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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2023-12-09 20:45 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ktjueoFbr26U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #126098 |
On 2023-12-09 19:12, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2023-12-09 11:18, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2023-12-09 14:16, Alan Browne wrote:
>>> On 2023-12-09 01:00, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 2023-12-09 06:46, Tyrone wrote:
>>>>> On Dec 9, 2023 at 12:21:04 AM EST, "Your Name"
>>>>> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2023-12-09 01:57:47 +0000, Tyrone said:
>>>>>>> On Dec 8, 2023 at 7:12:02 PM EST, "Alan Browne"
>>>>>>> <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://finance.yahoo.com/news/app-gives-android-users-ability-092001890.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Beeper Mini reverse engineers iMessage's protocol's to register non
>>>>>>>> Apple phones on the Apple iCloud data base.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Reverse engineering a protocol is not illegal in the US and Canada.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm less sure that using such to "register" a non Apple device's
>>>>>>>> phone
>>>>>>>> number on the Apple servers would not violate Apple's terms of
>>>>>>>> service.
>>>>>>>> To be seen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As expected, Apple has already killed this. Did anyone REALLY
>>>>>>> think Apple
>>>>>>> would permit this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why don't you jealous Android dweebs just get an iPhone and get
>>>>>>> over it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's only brainless morons who give a crap about what stupid colour a
>>>>>> bubble is in a messaging app anyway. :-\
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep. Brainless morons = jealous Android users. They are literally
>>>>> "green with
>>>>> envy".
>>>>
>>>> Us? Not at all. There is only 21% users of iphones here, they have
>>>> nobody to talk with on iMessage, so they come to WhatsApp :-P
>>>
>>> Owned by Meta (Facebook) where the user is the product.
>>
>> Sure, but Meta doesn't sniff the conversations.
>
> In proper E2E they wouldn't be able to. But you have to trust that that
> is what is happening.
The goal of Meta is profit, obviously. If they sniff messages, that
would be noticed when trying to monetize it somehow.
>>>> Here they need to open up their walled garden, if they want to be
>>>> able to talk with anyone. Not our problem, but theirs.
>>>
>>> No walled garden: Apple devices roam wherever they want. A walled
>>> garden means self contained and limiting.
>>>
>>> Fabulous eco-system, OTOH.
>>
>> You got the point wrong :-D
>
> Not at all. Apple's system is not a walled garden. More like an
> exclusive country club where you get more but can also go anywhere off
> of the club you want.
The point is that *here* there are only 21% of iPhones, so those users
have to get out or their walled garden to talk with the people, 80% of
which are on Android. So, they don't use iMessages.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
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