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Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security

From Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
Newsgroups misc.phone.mobile.iphone, alt.comp.os.windows-10, comp.mobile.android, alt.internet.wireless
Subject Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security
Date 2025-12-02 19:50 +0000
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Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> wrote:
> Chris wrote:
> 
>>> 
>>> For those wishing to know more about this topic, most people have their 
>>> router Wi-Fi AP set to broadcast the SSID, which means it's uploaded to 
>>> world-wide publicly accessible databases whether they like it or not.
>>> a. The (unique) GPS location (of the phone uploading it) is uploaded
>>> b. The signal strength (of the signal to the phone) is uploaded
>>> c. The (unique) BSSID (MAC address) is uploaded - which is essentially you
>> 
>> A router is not a person. At worst it represents a household in the same
>> way a postal address does. 
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> If you move from one home to another, and if you take your router with you,
> then the "bad guy" can trace your movements exactly as to time & location.
> 
> They know your exact location & exactly when you changed locations. 

Great. Saves sending all those "we have moved" messages. 

>>> d. The (normally non-unique) SSID is uploaded (with or without _nomap)
>>> 
>>> Every mobile device owned by ignorant/rude people is uploading that privacy 
>>> to the world-wide publicly accessible databases (which have been abused).
>> 
>> No they haven't. A theoretical observation has been made. There's no
>> evidence of "abuse". 
> 
> I know what you're talking about, 

No you don't. You said you could track me "if you were a bad guy". I gave
you permission and you could do nothing. Your paranoia is  baseless. 

> but most people reading this won't know
> that the Apple system (versus the Google system) is atrociously designed.

You don't "know" it either. All you have is FUD. 

> The way Apple does it is Apple allows hundreds upon hundreds of access
> point location information to be downloaded in a single instance by anyone
> on the planet, while Google's system is far more constrained in terms of
> abuse potential.
> 
> You & I can delve deeper (much deeper) than that astute summary, but that
> quick overview of the huge differences between the highly insecure Apple
> system and the lousy Google system (more secure, but it still sucks in
> terms of privacy) should suffice for most people here unless they ask for
> further details.

They are no different. They will give anyone with access to the API
location information based on their wifi AP databases. 

>> While you're at it, the equally rude satellites, google cars, the post
>> office and census collectors are also sharing extremely private information
>> regarding everyone's houses, where they are and what they look like. 
> 
> What you're saying I've heard a lot from people 

You've heard it a lot because you're a crackpot. 

> Privacy is like personal hygiene. You never stop washing your hands.

Soap is sufficient for 99% of people. You're using bleach driven by fear. 

>> I STRONGLY recommend first wrapping your house in tinfoil (hopefully that
>> will smother your *outgoing* connections), then radar opaque paint and,
>> finally, camouflage netting. 
>> 
>> For extra privacy go live in the woods.
> 
> These are the exact words of sklavin, Chris.
> 
> Many people in history have decided to be a slave; but I'm not one of them.
> And more to the point, I do not advocate that people become slaves.

You're a slave to your dogmatic obsession. 

> You advocate slavery. I advocate freedom.

Hardly. You have less freedom then I do.

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Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-01 11:50 -0700
  Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-12-02 10:46 +1300
    Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-02 10:05 -0700
  Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 13:01 +0100
    Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-02 09:26 -0700
      Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-12-02 19:19 +0000
        Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-02 19:35 +0000
          Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-12-02 19:50 +0000
            Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-02 16:36 -0700
          Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Stan Brown <someone@example.com> - 2025-12-02 13:06 -0800
            Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-02 21:10 +0000
              Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-03 14:39 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-03 16:15 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-03 16:42 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-03 11:53 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 20:25 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-04 23:06 -0600
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-05 11:06 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-05 22:59 -0600
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-06 13:08 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-06 20:03 -0600
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-07 09:51 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-07 17:00 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-07 18:53 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:44 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-07 19:14 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-08 03:36 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-09 20:18 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 13:04 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-15 15:09 -0800
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-12-03 20:16 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-03 20:47 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-03 13:18 -0800
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-03 20:08 -0500
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-03 18:44 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-03 19:41 -0800
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-12-04 03:48 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-04 08:03 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-03 17:43 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-12-04 11:20 +0000
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                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-04 09:08 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-04 11:16 -0800
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-12-04 22:20 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-05 00:00 -0800
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-12-05 10:26 +1300
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-04 11:34 -0800
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-04 19:38 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-07 13:29 +0000
      Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-12-02 20:35 +0000
        Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 22:57 +0100
        Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-02 18:06 -0500
      Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 22:50 +0100
        Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-02 16:39 -0700
          Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 13:47 +0100
            Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-12-03 14:27 +0000
              Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-12-03 16:26 +0000
              Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 22:48 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-12-04 12:39 +1300
            Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-03 14:42 +0000
            Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-03 09:19 -0700
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  Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-02 13:12 +0000
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              Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-05 17:34 -0700
          Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-05 19:36 +0000
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              Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-05 17:18 -0800
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-06 13:24 +0100
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                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-07 16:13 -0700
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                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-06 16:10 -0800
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:54 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-07 12:47 -0800
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                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-07 16:10 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 00:09 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-09 19:23 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-10 08:58 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-10 14:26 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-11 08:29 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-12 09:59 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-12 20:47 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-12 20:22 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-13 09:09 +0000
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                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-10 19:25 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-10 14:26 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-10 21:36 -0800
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-11 15:19 +0000
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                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-12 09:59 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-12 19:55 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-12 20:24 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-15 18:36 -0800
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 13:10 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-12 10:24 -0700
              Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-06 12:58 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-06 14:31 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-06 17:52 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-06 11:39 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-06 11:47 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-07 11:05 +0000
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                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-10 00:13 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-09 19:38 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-10 08:07 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 13:12 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-12 19:52 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-13 08:59 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 21:13 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-10 21:37 -0800
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 13:13 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-09 19:22 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-10 08:49 +0000
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                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-11 15:29 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-12 20:00 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-13 12:47 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-13 20:08 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-14 01:15 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-10 14:17 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-11 08:29 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-12 20:06 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-13 08:37 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-14 02:07 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-14 02:54 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-14 10:58 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-14 10:24 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-15 08:46 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-15 02:52 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-15 05:22 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-15 15:09 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-15 12:01 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 13:16 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-12 20:14 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-13 08:59 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 21:30 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-14 20:57 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-15 12:28 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-16 15:01 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-16 23:46 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-17 11:07 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-17 04:45 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-17 15:21 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-18 10:25 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-16 22:56 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-16 23:43 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-14 21:37 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-14 22:57 -0500
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-15 20:03 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-15 20:14 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-15 12:23 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-15 16:42 -0500
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-15 21:51 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-16 03:06 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-15 21:38 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-16 08:37 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-12-16 14:51 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-16 23:40 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-16 15:12 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-16 23:36 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-16 15:35 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-16 22:57 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-18 14:29 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-19 00:20 -0500
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-19 10:08 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-19 08:37 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-15 12:22 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-10 21:38 -0800
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-12-11 05:46 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-12 20:18 -0700
      Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-02 14:47 -0800
  Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-02 19:33 -0700
    Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-02 20:10 -0700
      Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-02 20:21 -0700
        Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-02 20:33 -0700
          Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-03 10:50 -0700
            Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-05 00:21 -0700
              Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-05 01:24 -0700
  Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-07 02:10 -0700
    Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-07 16:06 +0000
      Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-12-07 21:11 +0000
        Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 22:51 +0100
          Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-07 19:32 -0700
            Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-09 16:08 +0100
              Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-09 19:22 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 13:21 +0100
      Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-07 19:37 -0700
        Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-08 15:30 +0000
          Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-09 19:21 -0700
            Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-10 05:47 +0000
              Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-10 14:25 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-10 21:47 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-10 21:53 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-10 21:58 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 13:28 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-11 09:19 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-11 10:51 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 22:18 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 13:25 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-11 10:59 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 22:22 +0100

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