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Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security

From Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com>
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Subject Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security
Date 2025-12-02 16:39 -0700
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Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> Thanks for adding the missing information that the router may be managed by
>> the ISP, which, of course, somewhat changes what you can and cannot do to
>> effect better privacy/security.
>> 
>> I'm actually surprised, Carlos, that the ISP manages "the router", where I
>> would NOT be surprised if the ISP manages "the modem" (even as I'm well
>> aware that router:modem combinations exist (which may be what you have).
> 
> It has a direct fibre port, integrating what previously was a separate 
> gadget called ONT (Optical network terminal). That may qualify as a modem.
> 
> They do some maintenance. We can call the technical service when we have 
> a problem, and they can login remotely to assist in our problem. Saves 
> them a trip. I understand they have some kind of management platform, 
> where they enter client data and get connected to our router. That 
> platform is the same for the dozens of router models they install.
> 
> I assume they apply updates, but I have no proof of this.
> 
> I can change the login password and do my own management (I do), but 
> they keep another port for that remote management they do. That's the 
> one that would break the support contract.

Hi Carlos,

That's useful additional technical information as, being on WISP for
decades, I haven't been physically exposed myself to how cable/fiber works.

As I mentioned, my WISP (who gives me my Internet for forever free since I
often work for him by helping neighbors with their WISP connections) gives
me the login/password to all the neighbors' radios, so I can run neat stuff
on their rooftop radios just as spectrum analysis built into Ubiquiti
transceivers. <https://i.postimg.cc/QxF3sXpm/java2.jpg>

However, I set up my kids, long ago, when they moved into apartments, for a
"cable modem" which I bought at Costco for a hundred & fifty bucks (or so)
to save them the $10/month "forever rental fee" (now probably $20/month).
 <https://www.costco.com/p/-/tp-link-ac3200-wi-fi-tri-band-router-and-docsis-16x4-30-cable-modem/100319814>

In those days, the only coax "spec" you needed was Docsys 3.0 (now 3.1 and
even 4.0) supported by major ISPs like Comcast Xfinity, Spectrum, and Cox.
 <https://www.business.att.com/learn/articles/docsis-vs-fiber-why-knowing-the-difference-matters.html>

Nowadays, there's "fiber" such as from Frontier, which apparently doesn't
use a "modem" per se, but which uses an ONT (Optical Network Terminal).
 <https://dongknows.com/fiber-vs-cable-internet-docsis-modem-vs-ont/>

In those days, and even today, I'd recommend a *separate* router for all
the advantages that a separate router has for the technically inclined. 

But I'm well aware that modem:router (and ONT:router) combo's are widely
used nowadays, and generally provided free or via a rental from the ISP.
 <https://techbullion.com/fiber-vs-cable-internet-equipment-guide-what-you-actually-need/>

My main argument, which all my kids learned in spades, was that paying $150
up front once, immediately reduced the long-term costs by thousands of
dollars since it instantly saved the $50 (probably now $75 or more)
"installation fee" that cable companies charged, and, of course, it
eliminates the $10/month (now likely $20/month) plus taxes to rent it.
 <https://www.costco.com/routers-networking.html>

If the modems I bought my kids when they first moved into apartments during
their college days ever does go bad, it's *still cheaper* to buy a new one
than to rent forever from they cable companies. 

What's interesting is the cable companies have no problem accessing the
Costco modems (the one I bought years ago was a Motorola one, I think).

So the cable company still manages the modem no matter where you got it
from, while you manage the router. As Frank and others have said, many
units today are combination units, but still, there's a modem part and a
router part (or, I presume, for fiber, an ONT part & a router part).

Some day they'll string either coax cable or fiber into our power poles
above Silicon Valley and Santa Cruz in the Santa Cruz Mountains and I can
begin to enjoy all the delights of not having to get my WISP over the air!

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Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-01 11:50 -0700
  Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-12-02 10:46 +1300
    Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-02 10:05 -0700
  Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 13:01 +0100
    Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-02 09:26 -0700
      Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-12-02 19:19 +0000
        Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-02 19:35 +0000
          Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-12-02 19:50 +0000
            Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-02 16:36 -0700
          Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Stan Brown <someone@example.com> - 2025-12-02 13:06 -0800
            Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-02 21:10 +0000
              Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-03 14:39 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-03 16:15 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-03 16:42 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-03 11:53 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 20:25 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-04 23:06 -0600
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-05 11:06 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-05 22:59 -0600
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-06 13:08 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-06 20:03 -0600
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-07 09:51 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-07 17:00 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-07 18:53 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:44 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-07 19:14 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-08 03:36 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-09 20:18 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 13:04 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-15 15:09 -0800
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                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-03 18:44 -0700
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                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-04 09:08 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-04 11:16 -0800
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                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-05 00:00 -0800
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-12-05 10:26 +1300
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-04 11:34 -0800
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-04 19:38 +0000
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        Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 22:57 +0100
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                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-11 08:29 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-12 20:06 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-13 08:37 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-14 02:07 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-14 02:54 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-14 10:58 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-14 10:24 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-15 08:46 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-15 02:52 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-15 05:22 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-15 15:09 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-15 12:01 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 13:16 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-12 20:14 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-13 08:59 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 21:30 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-14 20:57 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-15 12:28 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-16 15:01 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-16 23:46 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-17 11:07 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-17 04:45 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-17 15:21 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-18 10:25 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-16 22:56 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-16 23:43 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-14 21:37 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-14 22:57 -0500
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-15 20:03 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-15 20:14 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-15 12:23 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-15 16:42 -0500
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-15 21:51 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-16 03:06 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-15 21:38 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-16 08:37 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-12-16 14:51 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-16 23:40 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-16 15:12 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-16 23:36 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-16 15:35 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-16 22:57 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-18 14:29 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-19 00:20 -0500
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-19 10:08 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-19 08:37 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-15 12:22 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-10 21:38 -0800
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-12-11 05:46 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-12 20:18 -0700
      Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-02 14:47 -0800
  Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-02 19:33 -0700
    Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-02 20:10 -0700
      Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-02 20:21 -0700
        Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-02 20:33 -0700
          Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-03 10:50 -0700
            Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-05 00:21 -0700
              Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-05 01:24 -0700
  Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-07 02:10 -0700
    Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-07 16:06 +0000
      Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-12-07 21:11 +0000
        Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 22:51 +0100
          Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-07 19:32 -0700
            Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-09 16:08 +0100
              Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-09 19:22 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 13:21 +0100
      Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-07 19:37 -0700
        Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-08 15:30 +0000
          Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-09 19:21 -0700
            Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-10 05:47 +0000
              Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-10 14:25 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-10 21:47 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-10 21:53 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-10 21:58 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 13:28 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-11 09:19 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-11 10:51 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 22:18 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 13:25 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-11 10:59 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 22:22 +0100

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