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Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security

From Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com>
Newsgroups alt.comp.os.windows-10, comp.mobile.android, misc.phone.mobile.iphone, alt.internet.wireless
Subject Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security
Date 2025-12-05 00:21 -0700
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Marian wrote:
> Hence, an active scanner, if it "waits long enough" and if it captures
> authentication traffic, can capture these frames and learn the SSID but
> only if a client connects, as if no client connects, a passive scanner will
> only know the BSSID, not the SSID of the router's access point.

It's nearly impossible to find the official iOS/Android stance on whether
the BSSID of a hidden access point is "collected" or "uploaded" to
Apple/Google servers, but we can look at when the SSID is sent in the
clear.

1. For an average dumbshit user, he has his router set to defaults, 
   so the SSID is sent in cleartext in the beacon frames from the AP.
   This happens "periodically" (perhaps every 100ms or so).
   However, if the SSID is hidden, the beacon SSID field is blank.

2. If a random scanner passes by, it often sends wildcard probe requests.
   The access points set up by dumbshits respond with a probe response 
   that includes their SSID in cleartext but not if the SSID is hidden.

3. An access point set up to be hidden will never include the SSID in the
   probe response, and, depending on the firmware, it will either stay 
   silent or it will reply with a probe response with a blank SSID field.

4. The only way an AP reveals the SSID in the clear is if the client sends
   a directed probe request (with the SSID filled in) because then the AP 
   will respond with a probe response that includes the SSID in the clear.

If no client ever sends out a directed probe request, then the SSID will
never be found in any packet that can be sniffed by any nearby scanner.

What happens in the case of a hidden SSID with auto-reconnect turned off is
a. ONLY when you physically manually initiate a connection to a hidden SSID
b. The client sends a directed probe request containing the hidden SSID.
c. The access point repeats the hidden SSID in the directed probe response
d. The client sends an association request containing the hidden SSID
e. The AP sends an association response containing the hidden SSID
f. Encrypted authentication handshakes & encrypted traffic follow

While the BSSID remains visible in all subsequent frames, the SSID is no
longer exposed in later frames, whether or not the AP SSID is hidden.

The only time re-association could occur is if you manually disconnect from
one AP and then manually connect to another AP with the same hidden SSID.

If a random iOS/Android phone is sitting outside your house, and if your
phone manually connects during that hour to the hidden SSID access point,
the random phone outside can see the hidden SSID in cleartext. It will
appear in the probe request, probe response, association request, and
association response frames. After the connection is established, the SSID
disappears from later traffic, but by then the random phone has already
captured it.

But wait, there's more.

Wi-Fi frames are only visible to a sniffer if it is tuned to the same RF
channel as the AP at the moment those frames are exchanged. And that
exchange typically takes only about a second to complete. So the window in
which the hidden SSID is in the clear is extremely short, especially for
the 5GHz range since there are more channels the sniffer has to scan.

The probability of capture depends on channel scanning behavior where a
random phone scanning all channels may miss it, but a dedicated sniffer
locked to the AP's channel will always catch it instantly.

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Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-01 11:50 -0700
  Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-12-02 10:46 +1300
    Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-02 10:05 -0700
  Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 13:01 +0100
    Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-02 09:26 -0700
      Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-12-02 19:19 +0000
        Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-02 19:35 +0000
          Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-12-02 19:50 +0000
            Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-02 16:36 -0700
          Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Stan Brown <someone@example.com> - 2025-12-02 13:06 -0800
            Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-02 21:10 +0000
              Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-03 14:39 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-03 16:15 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-03 16:42 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-03 11:53 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 20:25 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-04 23:06 -0600
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-05 11:06 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-05 22:59 -0600
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-06 13:08 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-12-06 20:03 -0600
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-07 09:51 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-07 17:00 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-07 18:53 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:44 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-07 19:14 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-08 03:36 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-09 20:18 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 13:04 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-15 15:09 -0800
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-12-03 20:16 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-03 20:47 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-03 13:18 -0800
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-03 20:08 -0500
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-03 18:44 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-03 19:41 -0800
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-12-04 03:48 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-04 08:03 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-03 17:43 -0700
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                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-04 09:08 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-04 11:16 -0800
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-12-04 22:20 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-05 00:00 -0800
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-12-05 10:26 +1300
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-04 11:34 -0800
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-04 19:38 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-07 13:29 +0000
      Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-12-02 20:35 +0000
        Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-02 22:57 +0100
        Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-02 18:06 -0500
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        Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-02 16:39 -0700
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              Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security AJL <noemail@none.com> - 2025-12-03 16:26 +0000
              Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-03 22:48 +0100
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            Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-03 09:19 -0700
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              Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-05 17:34 -0700
          Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-05 19:36 +0000
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              Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-05 17:18 -0800
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                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-07 19:21 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-06 16:10 -0800
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 20:54 +0100
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                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-07 16:10 -0700
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                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-09 19:23 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-10 08:58 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-10 14:26 -0700
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                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-12 09:59 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-12 20:47 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-12 20:22 -0700
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                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-10 19:25 +0000
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                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-12 09:59 -0700
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                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-15 18:36 -0800
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              Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-06 12:58 +0000
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                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-09 19:38 -0700
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                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-13 20:08 -0700
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                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-11 08:29 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-12 20:06 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-13 08:37 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-14 02:07 -0700
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                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-14 10:58 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-14 10:24 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-15 08:46 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-15 02:52 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-15 05:22 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-15 15:09 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-15 12:01 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 13:16 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-12 20:14 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-13 08:59 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 21:30 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-14 20:57 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-15 12:28 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-16 15:01 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-16 23:46 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-17 11:07 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-17 04:45 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-17 15:21 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-18 10:25 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-16 22:56 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-16 23:43 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-14 21:37 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-14 22:57 -0500
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-15 20:03 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-15 20:14 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-15 12:23 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-15 16:42 -0500
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-15 21:51 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-16 03:06 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-15 21:38 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-16 08:37 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-12-16 14:51 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-16 23:40 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-16 15:12 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-16 23:36 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-12-16 15:35 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-16 22:57 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-18 14:29 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-12-19 00:20 -0500
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-12-19 10:08 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-19 08:37 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-15 12:22 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-10 21:38 -0800
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-12-11 05:46 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-12 20:18 -0700
      Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-02 14:47 -0800
  Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-02 19:33 -0700
    Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-02 20:10 -0700
      Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-02 20:21 -0700
        Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-02 20:33 -0700
          Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-03 10:50 -0700
            Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-05 00:21 -0700
              Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-05 01:24 -0700
  Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-07 02:10 -0700
    Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-07 16:06 +0000
      Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-12-07 21:11 +0000
        Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 22:51 +0100
          Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-07 19:32 -0700
            Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-09 16:08 +0100
              Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-09 19:22 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 13:21 +0100
      Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-07 19:37 -0700
        Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-08 15:30 +0000
          Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-09 19:21 -0700
            Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-10 05:47 +0000
              Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-10 14:25 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-10 21:47 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-10 21:53 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-10 21:58 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 13:28 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-11 09:19 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-11 10:51 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 22:18 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 13:25 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-11 10:59 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 22:22 +0100

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