Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security

From	Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com>
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Subject	Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security
Date	2025-12-02 09:40 -0700
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Chris wrote:

>> 
>> For those wishing to know more about this topic, most people have their 
>> router Wi-Fi AP set to broadcast the SSID, which means it's uploaded to 
>> world-wide publicly accessible databases whether they like it or not.
>>  a. The (unique) GPS location (of the phone uploading it) is uploaded
>>  b. The signal strength (of the signal to the phone) is uploaded
>>  c. The (unique) BSSID (MAC address) is uploaded - which is essentially you
> 
> A router is not a person. At worst it represents a household in the same
> way a postal address does. 

Hi Chris,

If you move from one home to another, and if you take your router with you,
then the "bad guy" can trace your movements exactly as to time & location.

They know your exact location & exactly when you changed locations. 

>>  d. The (normally non-unique) SSID is uploaded (with or without _nomap)
>>
>> Every mobile device owned by ignorant/rude people is uploading that privacy 
>> to the world-wide publicly accessible databases (which have been abused).
> 
> No they haven't. A theoretical observation has been made. There's no
> evidence of "abuse". 

I know what you're talking about, but most people reading this won't know
that the Apple system (versus the Google system) is atrociously designed.

The way Apple does it is Apple allows hundreds upon hundreds of access
point location information to be downloaded in a single instance by anyone
on the planet, while Google's system is far more constrained in terms of
abuse potential.

You & I can delve deeper (much deeper) than that astute summary, but that
quick overview of the huge differences between the highly insecure Apple
system and the lousy Google system (more secure, but it still sucks in
terms of privacy) should suffice for most people here unless they ask for
further details.

> While you're at it, the equally rude satellites, google cars, the post
> office and census collectors are also sharing extremely private information
> regarding everyone's houses, where they are and what they look like. 

What you're saying I've heard a lot from people who don't own the knowledge
that I own, which is you're acting like a person who has already
surrendered.

It's normal for people to surrender their privacy, just as it's normal for
people to be slaves, since you must fight to retain your privacy, and you
must be intelligent about it (since Apple/Google/Microsoft don't advertise
that they're trying to destroy your privacy).

Privacy is like personal hygiene. You never stop washing your hands.

> I STRONGLY recommend first wrapping your house in tinfoil (hopefully that
> will smother your *outgoing* connections), then radar opaque paint and,
> finally, camouflage netting. 
> 
> For extra privacy go live in the woods.

These are the exact words of sklavin, Chris.

Many people in history have decided to be a slave; but I'm not one of them.
And more to the point, I do not advocate that people become slaves.

You advocate slavery. I advocate freedom.

The way to freedom is to follow & improve upon the simple steps that we
outlined in the OP for the benefit of the entire team who reads this.

> Correction: "privacy/security" translates to "self-aggrandising
> ultra-paranoids". 

It's classic of the Apple trolls to consider any discussion of taking
ownership control of your privacy or security as "ultra paranoia".

Apple trolls have long ago become slaves.

I, for one, do not intend to be a slave even as you advocate it.

I suggest people consider doing the simple steps outlined in the OP to
eliminate the chance of being uploaded into the public AP databases, and to
reduce the chance of their phone throwing all their neighbors under the
bus.

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Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-01 11:50 -0700
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    Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-02 09:26 -0700
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        Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-02 16:39 -0700
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                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-12 20:18 -0700
      Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-12-02 14:47 -0800
  Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-02 19:33 -0700
    Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-02 20:10 -0700
      Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-02 20:21 -0700
        Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-02 20:33 -0700
          Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-03 10:50 -0700
            Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-05 00:21 -0700
              Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-05 01:24 -0700
  Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-07 02:10 -0700
    Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-07 16:06 +0000
      Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-12-07 21:11 +0000
        Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-07 22:51 +0100
          Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-07 19:32 -0700
            Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-09 16:08 +0100
              Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-09 19:22 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 13:21 +0100
      Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-07 19:37 -0700
        Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-08 15:30 +0000
          Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-09 19:21 -0700
            Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-10 05:47 +0000
              Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-10 14:25 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-12-10 21:47 +0000
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-10 21:53 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-10 21:58 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 13:28 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-11 09:19 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-11 10:51 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 22:18 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-11 13:25 +0100
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security Marian <marianjones@helpfulpeople.com> - 2025-12-11 10:59 -0700
                Re: Discussion: How to set up your mobile devices & home router for privacy/security "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-12-14 22:22 +0100

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