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[OFF-TOPIC] How do I find a mentor when no one I work with knows what they are doing?

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  [OFF-TOPIC] How do I find a mentor when no one I work with knows what they are doing? James Brewer <james@brwr.org> - 2014-04-08 00:07 -0700
    Re: [OFF-TOPIC] How do I find a mentor when no one I work with knows what they are doing? Mark H Harris <harrismh777@gmail.com> - 2014-04-08 08:59 -0500
    Re: [OFF-TOPIC] How do I find a mentor when no one I work with knows what they are doing? Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> - 2014-04-08 20:10 +0200
    Re: [OFF-TOPIC] How do I find a mentor when no one I work with knows what they are doing? Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2014-04-08 12:47 -0700
      Re: [OFF-TOPIC] How do I find a mentor when no one I work with knows what they are doing? James Brewer <james@brwr.org> - 2014-04-08 13:19 -0700
      Re: [OFF-TOPIC] How do I find a mentor when no one I work with knows what they are doing? Marc Lucke <marc@marcsnet.com> - 2014-04-09 06:39 +1000
      Re: [OFF-TOPIC] How do I find a mentor when no one I work with knows what they are doing? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-04-09 12:19 +1000
      Re: [OFF-TOPIC] How do I find a mentor when no one I work with knows what they are doing? James Brewer <james@brwr.org> - 2014-04-08 23:53 -0700
      Re: [OFF-TOPIC] How do I find a mentor when no one I work with knows what they are doing? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2014-04-09 09:50 +0100

#69835 — [OFF-TOPIC] How do I find a mentor when no one I work with knows what they are doing?

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I'm sure there will be a substantial amount of arrogance perceived from
this question, but frankly I don't think that I have anything to learn from
my co-workers, which saddens me because I really like to learn and I know
that I have a lot of learning to do.

I've been employed as a software engineer for about eight months now and I
feel like I haven't learned nearly as much as I should. Sure, I've picked
up little tidbits of information here and there, but I'm no more confident
in my ability to build anything more complex than a basic crud app than I
was the day I started.

Things I'm interested include contributing to both Python and Django,
database design and data modeling, API design, code quality, algorithms and
data structures, and software architecture, among other things.

Basically, I want to be a better engineer. Where can I find someone willing
to point me in the right direction and what can I offer in return?

Happy Monday!

James

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#69864

On 4/8/14 2:07 AM, James Brewer wrote:
> I don't think that I have anything to learn
> from my co-workers, which saddens me because I really like to learn and
> I know that I have a lot of learning to do.

    Give it time. The first thing that must happen is relationship 
building. Initially its about being:
    faithful
    available
    interested
    teachable

> I've been employed as a software engineer for about eight months now and
> I feel like I haven't learned nearly as much as I should.

    compared to what

> Things I'm interested include contributing to both Python and Django,
> database design and data modeling, API design, code quality, algorithms
> and data structures, and software architecture, among other things.

    Find a project. Find something you are interested in, download the 
source, and study. Volunteer, and do a lot of observing.

> Basically, I want to be a better engineer. Where can I find someone
> willing to point me in the right direction and what can I offer in return?

    This list is a great resource.  The folks here are tough, but 
friendly;  the list is active, and those participating will teach you 
plenty.


marcus

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#69895

> Things I'm interested include contributing to both Python and Django,
> database design and data modeling,

Django is made by people who definitely don't know what they're doing.

https://code.djangoproject.com/wiki/MultipleColumnPrimaryKeys

Open the index to any half-decent database design textbook, look for
the term "overlapping foreign keys" and learn why surrogate keys are a
non-starter.

One answer to the subject line would be: Learn to judge the competence
of people by asking a few "litmus" questions. The above mentioned issue
is one personal "litmus" question I ask anyone who pretends to have a
clue of database design and database applications.

Sincerely,

Wolfgang

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#69899

On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 2:07:27 AM UTC-5, James Brewer wrote:
> I'm sure there will be a substantial amount of arrogance
> perceived from this question, but frankly I don't think
> that I have anything to learn from my co-workers, which
> saddens me because I really like to learn and I know that
> I have a lot of learning to do.
> 
> [Blah-blah-blah -- rambling in a feeble attempt to mask my
> question as more than just infantile whining -- blah-blah-
> blah...]
> 
> Basically, I want to be a better engineer. Where can I
> find someone willing to point me in the right direction
> and what can I offer in return?

Judging from your childish optimism and bombastic
expectations that the onerous of scholastic achievements lay
solely in the prowess of your teacher, i can only conclude
that you are yet another recent graduate of one of the
"fine universities" that happily rob naive parents of their
life savings and then infect the professional world with
plagues of self-absorbed little lazy a-holes who think they
offload their workload on everyone else. 

So you want to be taught eh? Maybe you should consider this
little "tidbit"...

   "When the pupil is ready, the master will appear"

And now allow me to "female dog" slap you back in to reality
about your new found "masters" -- you know, the ones you so
kindly refer to as "co-workers"...


    They are not going to help you! 

    They are not going to teach you! 
    
    Heck, they may not even point you in the direction of
    the lavatory when you need to tinkle!

No, these people are your mortal enemies. They will smile to
your pimpled face and then stick a knife in your back -- not
much unlike the trolls around here!

Listen kid; working is competition, a competition to the
death, and only the stupidest of stupid person would train
their replacement!

    So what is a boy to do? 

I would suggest you learn a little self reliance. Go and
read some tutorials, learn a new language, try to challenge
yourself to build something that is beyond your skill level.
Short of that you'll always be Bubba's "female dog".

Good day!

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On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Rick Johnson
<rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> Judging from your childish optimism and bombastic
> expectations that the onerous of scholastic achievements lay
> solely in the prowess of your teacher, i can only conclude
> that you are yet another recent graduate of one of the
> "fine universities" that happily rob naive parents of their
> life savings and then infect the professional world with
> plagues of self-absorbed little lazy a-holes who think they
> offload their workload on everyone else.
>
> So you want to be taught eh? Maybe you should consider this
> little "tidbit"...
>
>    "When the pupil is ready, the master will appear"
>
> And now allow me to "female dog" slap you back in to reality
> about your new found "masters" -- you know, the ones you so
> kindly refer to as "co-workers"...
>
>
>     They are not going to help you!
>
>     They are not going to teach you!
>
>     Heck, they may not even point you in the direction of
>     the lavatory when you need to tinkle!
>
> No, these people are your mortal enemies. They will smile to
> your pimpled face and then stick a knife in your back -- not
> much unlike the trolls around here!
>
> Listen kid; working is competition, a competition to the
> death, and only the stupidest of stupid person would train
> their replacement!
>
>     So what is a boy to do?
>
> I would suggest you learn a little self reliance. Go and
> read some tutorials, learn a new language, try to challenge
> yourself to build something that is beyond your skill level.
> Short of that you'll always be Bubba's "female dog".
>
> Good day!
>

You're an interesting fellow. Also, I didn't graduate; I dropped out.

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#69910

On 9/04/2014 5:47 AM, Rick Johnson wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 2:07:27 AM UTC-5, James Brewer wrote:
>> I'm sure there will be a substantial amount of arrogance
>> perceived from this question, but frankly I don't think
>> that I have anything to learn from my co-workers, which
>> saddens me because I really like to learn and I know that
>> I have a lot of learning to do.
>>
>> [Blah-blah-blah -- rambling in a feeble attempt to mask my
>> question as more than just infantile whining -- blah-blah-
>> blah...]
>>
>> Basically, I want to be a better engineer. Where can I
>> find someone willing to point me in the right direction
>> and what can I offer in return?
> Judging from your childish optimism and bombastic
> expectations that the onerous of scholastic achievements lay
> solely in the prowess of your teacher, i can only conclude
> that you are yet another recent graduate of one of the
> "fine universities" that happily rob naive parents of their
> life savings and then infect the professional world with
> plagues of self-absorbed little lazy a-holes who think they
> offload their workload on everyone else.
>
> So you want to be taught eh? Maybe you should consider this
> little "tidbit"...
>
>     "When the pupil is ready, the master will appear"
>
> And now allow me to "female dog" slap you back in to reality
> about your new found "masters" -- you know, the ones you so
> kindly refer to as "co-workers"...
>
>
>      They are not going to help you!
>
>      They are not going to teach you!
>      
>      Heck, they may not even point you in the direction of
>      the lavatory when you need to tinkle!
>
> No, these people are your mortal enemies. They will smile to
> your pimpled face and then stick a knife in your back -- not
> much unlike the trolls around here!
>
> Listen kid; working is competition, a competition to the
> death, and only the stupidest of stupid person would train
> their replacement!
>
>      So what is a boy to do?
>
> I would suggest you learn a little self reliance. Go and
> read some tutorials, learn a new language, try to challenge
> yourself to build something that is beyond your skill level.
> Short of that you'll always be Bubba's "female dog".
>
> Good day!
>
"Teach and learn twice".  I love teaching people.  It makes me better.

Marc

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#69918

On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 6:19 AM, James Brewer <james@brwr.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>[ a whole lot of typical stuff ]
>
> You're an interesting fellow.

Rick's one of our resident... uhh... characters. Don't take his words to heart.

> Also, I didn't graduate; I dropped out.

I dropped out of high school. Never went to uni/college/etc.

ChrisA

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On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 7:19 PM, Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 6:19 AM, James Brewer <james@brwr.org> wrote:
> > You're an interesting fellow.
>
> Rick's one of our resident... uhh... characters. Don't take his words to
> heart.
>
> > Also, I didn't graduate; I dropped out.
>
> I dropped out of high school. Never went to uni/college/etc.
>
> ChrisA


One thing I have picked up is to take what everyone says with a grain of
salt, taking only that advice which is helpful. People like Rick are
awesome because they say things that other people only think; and sometimes
these things are the most helpful.

:)

- James

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#69934

On 08/04/2014 21:19, James Brewer wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Rick Johnson
> <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com <mailto:rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> You're an interesting fellow. Also, I didn't graduate; I dropped out.
>

try:
     print('rr is okay when discussing IDLE or tkinter')
except TrollingError:
     print('just ignore him')

-- 
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask 
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

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