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Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster?

From Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu>
Newsgroups comp.lang.python
Subject Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster?
Date 2016-03-09 10:42 -0500
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On 3/9/2016 9:03 AM, BartC wrote:

> I've just tried a UTF-8 file and getting some odd results. With a file
> containing [three euro symbols]:
>
> €€€
>
> (including a 3-byte utf-8 marker at the start), and opened in text mode,
> Python 3 gives me this series of bytes (ie. the ord() of each character):
>
> 239
> 187
> 191
> 226
> 8218
> 172
> 226
> 8218
> 172
> 226
> 8218
> 172
>
> And prints the resulting string as: €€€. Although this latter
> might depend on my console's code page setting.

It definitely does.

> Changing it to UTF-8 however (CHCP 65001 in Windows)

CP65001 is MS's ugly pretense of unicode compatibility.  It has been 
known to be buggy for over a decade, though some people claim to have 
gotten some use of it.

 > gives me this error when I run the  program again:
>
> ----------
> Fatal Python error: Py_Initialize: can't initialize sys standard streams
> LookupError: unknown encoding: cp65001
>
> This application has requested the Runtime to terminate it in an unusual
> way.
> Please contact the application's support team for more information.
> ----------

> So I think I'll skip Unicode handling to start off with! (I've already
> had plenty of fun and games with it in the past.)

At least on Windows, use IDLE for the BMP subset of unicode.  tk and 
hence tkinter and IDLE can handle any char in the BMP subset.  I believe 
that which are actually displayed and which are shown as boxes depends 
on the font.  On my US Win10 system:

IDLE with Lucida Console:
 >>> s = '€€€'
 >>> s
'€€€'

In the console interpreter: '???' is printed.


-- 
Terry Jan Reedy

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Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Tony van der Hoff <tony@vanderhoff.org> - 2016-03-06 11:34 +0000
  Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-07 01:41 +1100
    Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Tony van der Hoff <tony@vanderhoff.org> - 2016-03-07 10:45 +0000
    Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Andrew Jaffe <a.h.jaffe@gmail.com> - 2016-03-07 11:54 +0000
    Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2016-03-07 17:33 -0500
  Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-07 11:02 +0000
    Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-03-07 13:11 +0200
      Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-07 11:38 +0000
        Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Fabien <fabien.maussion@gmail.com> - 2016-03-07 13:19 +0100
          Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-07 13:25 +0000
            Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-03-08 02:31 +1100
              Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-07 18:34 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-03-08 06:10 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-07 20:19 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-03-08 07:47 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-07 22:39 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-03-08 10:40 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-08 00:22 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-08 00:43 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-03-08 11:45 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2016-03-08 00:47 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-03-07 20:29 -0500
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2016-03-07 22:51 -0500
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2016-03-08 17:34 -0700
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-09 13:01 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-03-09 11:38 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2016-03-08 11:05 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-08 01:00 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-08 01:12 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-08 01:47 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-08 02:45 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-08 11:09 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-08 16:09 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-08 19:15 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-08 20:44 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-08 22:38 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-09 10:59 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-09 08:40 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-09 12:02 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-09 21:13 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-09 23:14 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-09 23:35 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-10 00:58 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-03-10 12:28 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-10 07:30 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-10 11:50 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-10 12:15 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-10 12:47 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 00:08 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-10 14:22 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-10 19:26 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-11 16:29 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-11 18:57 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-11 21:59 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-11 22:24 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-12 16:59 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2016-03-12 10:06 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-12 10:31 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-12 10:51 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2016-03-12 15:36 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-13 14:22 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-12 10:34 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-03-12 21:40 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 07:07 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-11 16:06 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 16:36 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-10 13:18 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-03-11 00:30 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-10 13:46 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2016-03-10 18:43 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-03-10 18:55 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-10 12:59 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-10 12:19 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-03-10 10:38 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.co.uk> - 2016-03-09 23:48 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-03-10 11:03 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.co.uk> - 2016-03-10 02:38 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-03-10 14:43 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-10 01:30 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2016-03-10 13:29 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-10 14:32 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-10 13:45 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2016-03-10 11:21 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-03-08 12:23 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-08 01:33 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2016-03-08 12:38 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-03-08 12:40 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-08 02:02 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2016-03-08 13:28 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2016-03-08 02:47 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-08 11:15 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Jussi Piitulainen <jussi.piitulainen@helsinki.fi> - 2016-03-08 13:45 +0200
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-08 12:09 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2016-03-07 22:39 -0500
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-08 03:48 +0000
                What will I get when reading from a file? (was: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster?) Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2016-03-08 11:09 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-08 13:12 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-08 11:53 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-09 10:28 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-09 00:09 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-03-09 11:36 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-03-08 21:03 -0500
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-10 03:07 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Serhiy Storchaka <storchaka@gmail.com> - 2016-03-08 14:48 +0200
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-08 12:34 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-03-08 12:49 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Serhiy Storchaka <storchaka@gmail.com> - 2016-03-08 15:05 +0200
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-08 12:19 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-08 01:41 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-08 15:40 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-08 13:49 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-08 16:15 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2016-03-08 09:23 -0800
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-08 19:02 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-09 11:04 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-09 01:28 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-09 13:18 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2016-03-09 02:11 -0800
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-09 14:03 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-03-10 01:11 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-09 14:39 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-03-10 01:54 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-10 02:33 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-03-10 02:58 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.co.uk> - 2016-03-09 14:56 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-10 02:28 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-10 01:57 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-03-10 02:04 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-03-09 16:53 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-10 01:54 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.co.uk> - 2016-03-09 15:06 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Tim Golden <mail@timgolden.me.uk> - 2016-03-09 15:15 +0000
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-10 02:38 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2016-03-09 10:42 -0500
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2016-03-09 09:04 -0800
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-03-09 08:08 +0200
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-09 22:52 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-03-09 14:53 +0200
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-03-10 03:53 +1100
                Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2016-03-08 17:42 -0700
        Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-08 02:53 +0000
    Re: Pyhon 2.x or 3.x, which is faster? Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-07 19:02 +0000

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