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| From | Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> |
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| Subject | Re: What exactly is "exact" (was Clean Singleton Docstrings) |
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On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> wrote: >> And then you get these sorts of functions: >> >> EPSILON = 0.000001 # Adjust to control numeric accuracy >> def is_equal(f1, f2, epsilon=EPSILON): >> if abs(f1) > abs(f2): >> f1, f2 = f2, f1 >> return abs(f2-f1) < f1*epsilon >> >> and interminable debates about how to pick an epsilon, whether it >> should be relative to the smaller value (as here) or the larger (use >> f2 instead), or maybe should be an absolute value, or maybe it should >> be relative to the largest/smallest value that was ever involved in >> the calculation, or........ > > Your code is buggy. Consider: > > py> is_equal(-1.0, -1.0) > False Duh, I got the < and <= bug! Shows how easy it is to get this kind of function wrong. (Even more so, it shows how easy it is to get code wrong when you type straight into an email and never test it.) > Earlier you mentioned "interminable debates > about how to pick an epsilon", but the reason for that is that it is > really, really hard to pick an epsilon in any systematic, objective way. Yeah, and that's the problem. If you're working with some concept of measurement error, what you actually mean is that every number in your calculation is actually a range centered on that number; which means that "equality" really means "overlapping ranges". Epsilon-based equality is just that, only with a global epsilon instead of one that actually cares about the real error value. How can that NOT be doomed to failure? ChrisA
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