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Re: data validation when creating an object

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Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> writes:

>  Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> wrote:
>
> > Who says it's frowned on to do work in the initialiser? Where are they
> > saying it? That seems over-broad, I'd like to read the context of that
> > advice.
>
> There are some people who advocate that C++ constructors should not do
> a lot of work and/or should be incapable of throwing exceptions. The
> pros and cons of that argument are largely C++ specific. […]
>
> But, Python is not C++. I suspect the people who argue for __init__()
> not doing much are extrapolating a C++ pattern to other languages
> without fully understanding the reason why.

Even simpler: They are mistaken in what the constructor is named, in
Python.

Python classes have the constructor, ‘__new__’. I would agree with
advice not to do anything but allocate the resources for a new instance
in the constructor.

Indeed, the constructor from ‘object’ does a good enough job that the
vast majority of Python classes never need a custom constructor at all.

(This is probably why many beginning programmers are confused about what
the constructor is called: They've never seen a class with its own
constructor!)

Python instances have an initialiser, ‘__init__’. That function is for
setting up the specific instance for later use. This is commonly
over-ridden and many classes define a custom initialiser, which normally
does some amount of work.

I don't think ‘__init__’ is subject to the conventions of a constructor,
because *‘__init__’ is not a constructor*.

-- 
 \        “Absurdity, n. A statement or belief manifestly inconsistent |
  `\            with one's own opinion.” —Ambrose Bierce, _The Devil's |
_o__)                                                Dictionary_, 1906 |
Ben Finney

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Re: data validation when creating an object Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-01-16 12:16 +1100
  Re: data validation when creating an object Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-01-15 23:05 -0500
    Re: data validation when creating an object Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2014-01-16 15:53 +1100
      Re: data validation when creating an object Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-01-16 00:05 -0500
    Re: data validation when creating an object Robert Kern <robert.kern@gmail.com> - 2014-01-16 15:46 +0000
      Re: data validation when creating an object Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-01-16 08:18 -0800
        Re: data validation when creating an object Robert Kern <robert.kern@gmail.com> - 2014-01-16 16:58 +0000
    Re: data validation when creating an object Skip Montanaro <skip@pobox.com> - 2014-01-16 10:44 -0600

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