Re: Is the Usenet to mailing list gateway borked?

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From	TP <wingusr@gmail.com>
Date	2011-07-01 03:33 -0700
Subject	Re: Is the Usenet to mailing list gateway borked?
Newsgroups	comp.lang.python
Message-ID	<mailman.553.1309576145.1164.python-list@python.org> (permalink)

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On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
<PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
> Thomas Guettler wrote:
>
>> On 30.06.2011 03:24, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Andrew Berg wrote:
>>>> […]
>>>
>>> As for your question in the Subject, I do not know since I am reading the
>>> newsgroup.
>>>
>>> Therefore, however, I can tell you that the mailing list to Usenet
>>> gateway is seriously borked, as missing References header fields are not
>>> generated by the gateway.  As a result, there are few if any threads left
>>> in the newsgroup, which makes it an increasing PITA to read.  (And no,
>>> threading by Subject is a stupid idea.)
>>>
>>> Would someone responsible *please* fix this?  I am willing to provide
>>> assistance, see also my suggestion in
>>> <news:5337093.9J7NaK4W3v@PointedEars.de>.
>>
>> Who is responsible?
>
> If I knew that I would not ask here.
>
>> I think in the past there were not many broken threads. I wonder what
>> changed this.
>
> One factor, as I see it, is an increasing number of people using e-mail
> clients that do not generate the References header field, as it is only a
> SHOULD, not a MUST per RFC 5322, or people using mail clients that are FUBAR
> (like G2, Google Groups and Mail).  But that header field is mandatory for
> Network News (RFC 5536), and if it is missing you create a mess for
> newsreaders (applications and people alike).  "Bugs" making a slumbering
> real bug in the gateway implementation apparent.
>
> But that appears to be only half the truth as e.g. I can retrieve none of
> the messages that <mailman.524.1309439986.1164.python-list@python.org> of
> 15:19 GMT+02:00 today refers to, regardless from where they supposedly
> originated.  I am not deleting messages locally and I have a rather fast and
> reliable newsfeed, so the messages should have arrived by now.
>
> --
> PointedEars
>
> Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail. / Please do not Cc: me.
> --
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
>

Not sure if this is relevant. I use mail.google.com to follow mailing
lists and a large proportion of python-list traffic ends up in my
gmail spam folder for some reason?

    -- TP

Thread

Is the Usenet to mailing list gateway borked? Andrew Berg <bahamutzero8825@gmail.com> - 2011-06-29 15:34 -0500
  Re: Is the Usenet to mailing list gateway borked? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-06-30 03:24 +0200
    Re: Is the Usenet to mailing list gateway borked? Thomas Guettler <hv@tbz-pariv.de> - 2011-06-30 09:02 +0200
      Re: Is the Usenet to mailing list gateway borked? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-06-30 20:41 +0200
        Re: Is the Usenet to mailing list gateway borked? TP <wingusr@gmail.com> - 2011-07-01 03:33 -0700
          Re: Is the Usenet to mailing list gateway borked? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-07-02 16:55 +0200
        Re: Is the Usenet to mailing list gateway borked? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-07-02 13:12 +1000
      Re: Is the Usenet to mailing list gateway borked? Chris Rebert <clp2@rebertia.com> - 2011-06-30 20:57 -0700

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