Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!feeder.news-service.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.025 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.95; '*S*': 0.00; 'bug': 0.02; 'mess': 0.07; '>>>>': 0.09; 'reason?': 0.09; 'relevant.': 0.09; 'read.': 0.11; 'broken': 0.12; 'am,': 0.13; 'wrote:': 0.15; '15:19': 0.16; 'factor,': 0.16; 'newsgroup.': 0.16; 'rfc': 0.16; 'threading': 0.16; 'usenet': 0.16; '\xa0as': 0.16; 'result,': 0.16; '>>>': 0.16; 'subject:list': 0.16; 'cc:': 0.19; 'appears': 0.21; '(like': 0.21; 'this?': 0.22; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'refers': 0.23; 'wonder': 0.23; 'subject:mailing': 0.23; 'gateway': 0.25; 'changed': 0.25; 'assistance,': 0.25; 'suggestion': 0.26; 'url:mailman': 0.27; 'field,': 0.28; 'thu,': 0.28; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.28; 'lists': 0.29; 'fix': 0.29; 'threads': 0.30; 'threads.': 0.30; 'subject:?': 0.31; 'this.': 0.31; 'url:listinfo': 0.32; "skip:' 10": 0.32; 'andrew': 0.32; 'references': 0.32; 'list': 0.32; 'rather': 0.33; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.34; 'there': 0.34; 'regardless': 0.34; 'however,': 0.34; 'someone': 0.34; 'e.g.': 0.34; 'google': 0.34; 'none': 0.35; 'question': 0.35; 'folder': 0.35; 'url:python': 0.37; 'some': 0.37; 'but': 0.37; 'using': 0.37; 'received:google.com': 0.38; 'received:209.85.161': 0.38; 'received:209.85': 0.38; 'url:org': 0.38; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'think': 0.38; 'mailing': 0.38; 'should': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'header': 0.40; 'missing': 0.40; 'received:209': 0.40; 'where': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'subject': 0.62; 'making': 0.66; 'therefore,': 0.66; 'here.': 0.66; 'keine': 0.67; 'e-mail.': 0.68; 'truth': 0.68; 'traffic': 0.70; 'today': 0.71; 'news': 0.74; '30,': 0.74; 'bitte': 0.77; '11:41': 0.84; 'should,': 0.84; 'supposedly': 0.84; '\xa0but': 0.84; 'locally': 0.91; 'stupid': 0.91; 'subject,': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=hZOqg0min0i2PmEE5GncANbTj+3UnFN5nEPJZ2CeKcs=; b=u4hKkzouxpxJGfjEw2bw+rm9WQKZSGEgYcfoZ73PVMimfXinF5nCfcx1iJhr4Dx1yt jjY+c9dC/cmAT2PNMIjJi4mhJa8Wn4d8gdMaI7kTNQjuyYsrsDrSxZWjseNTuAnNyMEu 7F58Lv4wJjMuQNdx8AGhuOP5sWKxoOuiW2GJM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1771444.cVGEfx5fSG@PointedEars.de> References: <1443196.SuA9gRusQu@PointedEars.de> <972lctFifgU1@mid.individual.net> <1771444.cVGEfx5fSG@PointedEars.de> From: TP Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 03:33:37 -0700 Subject: Re: Is the Usenet to mailing list gateway borked? To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 63 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1309576145 news.xs4all.nl 21881 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:53287 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:8655 On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: > Thomas Guettler wrote: > >> On 30.06.2011 03:24, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: >>> Andrew Berg wrote: >>>> [=85] >>> >>> As for your question in the Subject, I do not know since I am reading t= he >>> newsgroup. >>> >>> Therefore, however, I can tell you that the mailing list to Usenet >>> gateway is seriously borked, as missing References header fields are no= t >>> generated by the gateway. =A0As a result, there are few if any threads = left >>> in the newsgroup, which makes it an increasing PITA to read. =A0(And no= , >>> threading by Subject is a stupid idea.) >>> >>> Would someone responsible *please* fix this? =A0I am willing to provide >>> assistance, see also my suggestion in >>> . >> >> Who is responsible? > > If I knew that I would not ask here. > >> I think in the past there were not many broken threads. I wonder what >> changed this. > > One factor, as I see it, is an increasing number of people using e-mail > clients that do not generate the References header field, as it is only a > SHOULD, not a MUST per RFC 5322, or people using mail clients that are FU= BAR > (like G2, Google Groups and Mail). =A0But that header field is mandatory = for > Network News (RFC 5536), and if it is missing you create a mess for > newsreaders (applications and people alike). =A0"Bugs" making a slumberin= g > real bug in the gateway implementation apparent. > > But that appears to be only half the truth as e.g. I can retrieve none of > the messages that of > 15:19 GMT+02:00 today refers to, regardless from where they supposedly > originated. =A0I am not deleting messages locally and I have a rather fas= t and > reliable newsfeed, so the messages should have arrived by now. > > -- > PointedEars > > Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail. / Please do not Cc: me. > -- > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > Not sure if this is relevant. I use mail.google.com to follow mailing lists and a large proportion of python-list traffic ends up in my gmail spam folder for some reason? -- TP