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  Is the Usenet to mailing list gateway borked? Andrew Berg <bahamutzero8825@gmail.com> - 2011-06-29 15:34 -0500
    Re: Is the Usenet to mailing list gateway borked? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-06-30 03:24 +0200
      Re: Is the Usenet to mailing list gateway borked? Thomas Guettler <hv@tbz-pariv.de> - 2011-06-30 09:02 +0200
        Re: Is the Usenet to mailing list gateway borked? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-06-30 20:41 +0200
          Re: Is the Usenet to mailing list gateway borked? TP <wingusr@gmail.com> - 2011-07-01 03:33 -0700
            Re: Is the Usenet to mailing list gateway borked? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-07-02 16:55 +0200
          Re: Is the Usenet to mailing list gateway borked? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-07-02 13:12 +1000
        Re: Is the Usenet to mailing list gateway borked? Chris Rebert <clp2@rebertia.com> - 2011-06-30 20:57 -0700

#8581 — Is the Usenet to mailing list gateway borked?

I didn't get at least two messages from the "call a function every 10
seconds thread", and possibly some other messages, and I access the
group via the mailing list. I use the latest stable Thunderbird, if that
matters. I've only noticed this recently, and I'm still getting other
messages. In fact, I only noticed this because I got a message that
referenced messages I didn't get.

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#8590

Andrew Berg wrote:

> […]

As for your question in the Subject, I do not know since I am reading the 
newsgroup.

Therefore, however, I can tell you that the mailing list to Usenet gateway 
is seriously borked, as missing References header fields are not generated 
by the gateway.  As a result, there are few if any threads left in the 
newsgroup, which makes it an increasing PITA to read.  (And no, threading by 
Subject is a stupid idea.)

Would someone responsible *please* fix this?  I am willing to provide 
assistance, see also my suggestion in 
<news:5337093.9J7NaK4W3v@PointedEars.de>.

-- 
PointedEars

Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail. / Please do not Cc: me.

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#8592

On 30.06.2011 03:24, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Andrew Berg wrote:
> 
>> […]
> 
> As for your question in the Subject, I do not know since I am reading the 
> newsgroup.
> 
> Therefore, however, I can tell you that the mailing list to Usenet gateway 
> is seriously borked, as missing References header fields are not generated 
> by the gateway.  As a result, there are few if any threads left in the 
> newsgroup, which makes it an increasing PITA to read.  (And no, threading by 
> Subject is a stupid idea.)
> 
> Would someone responsible *please* fix this?  I am willing to provide 
> assistance, see also my suggestion in 
> <news:5337093.9J7NaK4W3v@PointedEars.de>.

Hi,

Who is responsible?

I think in the past there were not many broken threads. I wonder what
changed this.

  Thomas

-- 
Thomas Guettler, http://www.thomas-guettler.de/
E-Mail: guettli (*) thomas-guettler + de

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#8613

Thomas Guettler wrote:

> On 30.06.2011 03:24, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Andrew Berg wrote:
>>> […]
>> 
>> As for your question in the Subject, I do not know since I am reading the
>> newsgroup.
>> 
>> Therefore, however, I can tell you that the mailing list to Usenet
>> gateway is seriously borked, as missing References header fields are not
>> generated by the gateway.  As a result, there are few if any threads left
>> in the newsgroup, which makes it an increasing PITA to read.  (And no,
>> threading by Subject is a stupid idea.)
>> 
>> Would someone responsible *please* fix this?  I am willing to provide
>> assistance, see also my suggestion in
>> <news:5337093.9J7NaK4W3v@PointedEars.de>.
> 
> Who is responsible?

If I knew that I would not ask here.
 
> I think in the past there were not many broken threads. I wonder what
> changed this.

One factor, as I see it, is an increasing number of people using e-mail 
clients that do not generate the References header field, as it is only a 
SHOULD, not a MUST per RFC 5322, or people using mail clients that are FUBAR 
(like G2, Google Groups and Mail).  But that header field is mandatory for 
Network News (RFC 5536), and if it is missing you create a mess for 
newsreaders (applications and people alike).  "Bugs" making a slumbering 
real bug in the gateway implementation apparent.

But that appears to be only half the truth as e.g. I can retrieve none of 
the messages that <mailman.524.1309439986.1164.python-list@python.org> of 
15:19 GMT+02:00 today refers to, regardless from where they supposedly 
originated.  I am not deleting messages locally and I have a rather fast and 
reliable newsfeed, so the messages should have arrived by now.

-- 
PointedEars

Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail. / Please do not Cc: me.

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#8655

On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
<PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
> Thomas Guettler wrote:
>
>> On 30.06.2011 03:24, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Andrew Berg wrote:
>>>> […]
>>>
>>> As for your question in the Subject, I do not know since I am reading the
>>> newsgroup.
>>>
>>> Therefore, however, I can tell you that the mailing list to Usenet
>>> gateway is seriously borked, as missing References header fields are not
>>> generated by the gateway.  As a result, there are few if any threads left
>>> in the newsgroup, which makes it an increasing PITA to read.  (And no,
>>> threading by Subject is a stupid idea.)
>>>
>>> Would someone responsible *please* fix this?  I am willing to provide
>>> assistance, see also my suggestion in
>>> <news:5337093.9J7NaK4W3v@PointedEars.de>.
>>
>> Who is responsible?
>
> If I knew that I would not ask here.
>
>> I think in the past there were not many broken threads. I wonder what
>> changed this.
>
> One factor, as I see it, is an increasing number of people using e-mail
> clients that do not generate the References header field, as it is only a
> SHOULD, not a MUST per RFC 5322, or people using mail clients that are FUBAR
> (like G2, Google Groups and Mail).  But that header field is mandatory for
> Network News (RFC 5536), and if it is missing you create a mess for
> newsreaders (applications and people alike).  "Bugs" making a slumbering
> real bug in the gateway implementation apparent.
>
> But that appears to be only half the truth as e.g. I can retrieve none of
> the messages that <mailman.524.1309439986.1164.python-list@python.org> of
> 15:19 GMT+02:00 today refers to, regardless from where they supposedly
> originated.  I am not deleting messages locally and I have a rather fast and
> reliable newsfeed, so the messages should have arrived by now.
>
> --
> PointedEars
>
> Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail. / Please do not Cc: me.
> --
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
>

Not sure if this is relevant. I use mail.google.com to follow mailing
lists and a large proportion of python-list traffic ends up in my
gmail spam folder for some reason?

    -- TP

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#8669

TP wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> [Why are threads broken in the newsgroup?]
> 
> Not sure if this is relevant. I use mail.google.com to follow mailing
> lists and a large proportion of python-list traffic ends up in my
> gmail spam folder for some reason?

Your e-mail problems are unrelated to what happens in the newsgroup,
the fact aside that you are posting more text than necessary.

<http://learn.to/quote>

-- 
PointedEars

Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail. / Please do not Cc: me.

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#8656

On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 8:33 PM, TP <wingusr@gmail.com> wrote:
> Not sure if this is relevant. I use mail.google.com to follow mailing
> lists and a large proportion of python-list traffic ends up in my
> gmail spam folder for some reason?

Set a filter (you can "Filter messages like this") that says "Never
spam". That stops that from happening.

ChrisA

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#8619

On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Thomas Guettler <hv@tbz-pariv.de> wrote:
> On 30.06.2011 03:24, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Andrew Berg wrote:
<snip>
>> Therefore, however, I can tell you that the mailing list to Usenet gateway
>> is seriously borked, as missing References header fields are not generated
>> by the gateway.  As a result, there are few if any threads left in the
>> newsgroup, which makes it an increasing PITA to read.  (And no, threading by
>> Subject is a stupid idea.)
>>
>> Would someone responsible *please* fix this?  I am willing to provide
>> assistance, see also my suggestion in
>> <news:5337093.9J7NaK4W3v@PointedEars.de>.
>
> Hi,
>
> Who is responsible?

I would assume those named in the footer of
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list , for whom
python-list-owner@python.org is given as a collective public contact
address.

Cheers,
Chris
--
cmp(python-list, comp.lang.python) == ?

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