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| From | Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> |
| Subject | Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly |
| Date | Mon, 02 Dec 2013 17:53:28 -0500 |
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On 12/2/13 5:32 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote: > On 02/12/2013 22:24, Ned Batchelder wrote: >> On 12/2/13 4:44 PM, Ned Batchelder wrote: >>> On 12/2/13 3:45 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote: >>>> On 02/12/2013 20:26, Terry Reedy wrote: >>>>> On 12/2/2013 10:45 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> the worst loser in the world >>>>> >>>>> Mark, I consider your continual direct personal attacks on other >>>>> posters >>>>> to be a violation of the PSF Code of Conduct, which *does* apply to >>>>> python-list. Please stop. >>>>> >>>> >>>> The attacks that "Joseph McCarthy" has been launching on the core >>>> developers for the last 15 months are in my view now perfectly >>>> acceptable. This is excellent news. Everybody can now say what they >>>> like about the core developers and there's no comeback. >>>> >>>> You can also stuff the code of conduct, it's quite clearly only brought >>>> into play when it suits. Never, ever aim it at somebody who goes >>>> out of >>>> their way to stir things up, always target it at the people who fight >>>> back *IS THE RULE HERE*. >>>> >>> >>> The point is that in this thread, no one was making attacks on core >>> developers. You were bringing up old animosity here for no reason at >>> all, and making them personal attacks to boot. >>> >>> I don't see how you think wxjmfauth was "going out of his way to stir >>> things up" in *this* thread. He made three comments, none of which >>> mentioned the FSR or any other controversial topic. Can't we respond to >>> the content of posts, and not to past offenses by the poster? >>> >>> Additionally, wxjmfauth's past complaints about the flexible string >>> representation were not personal. He didn't say, "Joe Smith is the >>> worst loser in the world for writing the FSR". He complained about a >>> feature of CPython, baselessly, but he never attacked the people doing >>> the work. His continued complaints were aggravating, I agree. I don't >>> know that they rose to the level of "disrespectful". >>> >>> I know that your behavior here is disrespectful. >>> >>> As to when the code of conduct is brought up, it's only fairly recently >>> that it has been mentioned in this forum. There have clearly been posts >>> in recent memory (the last year) which could have been examined in light >>> of the code of conduct, and were not. I think we are using it more >>> uniformly now. You helped me realize better how to apply it to this >>> forum, and I thank you for that. I welcome your help in applying it >>> better still. But it applies to you as well and I don't think it's too >>> much to ask that you abide by it. >>> >>> The way to improve this list is to respectfully point to and demonstrate >>> community norms and ask people to conform to them. Spewing vitriol >>> isn't going to fix anything. >>> >>> --Ned. >>> >>> >> >> BTW: I think Mark has kill-filed me, so if anyone agrees enough with me >> here to want Mark to see it, someone else will have to respond before he >> gets the text. >> >> --Ned. >> > > I've kill-filed you on my personnal email address which I asked you > specifically *NOT* to message me on. You completely ignored that > request. FTR you're only the second person I've ever done that to, the > other being a pot smoking hippy who thankfully hasn't been seen for years. > Yes, I've apologized for that faux pas. I hope that you can forgive me. Someday I hope to understand why it angered you so much. Good to hear that we can communicate here. --Ned.
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