Re: Code of Conduct, Trolls, and Thankless Jobs [was Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly]

From	Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com>
Subject	Re: Code of Conduct, Trolls, and Thankless Jobs [was Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly]
Date	2013-12-02 17:23 -0500
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On 12/2/13 4:25 PM, Ethan Furman wrote:
> On 12/02/2013 12:45 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
>> On 02/12/2013 20:26, Terry Reedy wrote:
>>> On 12/2/2013 10:45 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
>>>
>>>> the worst loser in the world
>>>
>>> Mark, I consider your continual direct personal attacks on other posters
>>> to be a violation of the PSF Code of Conduct, which *does* apply to
>>> python-list. Please stop.
>>
>> The attacks that "Joseph McCarthy" has been launching on the core
>> developers for the last 15 months are in my view now
>> perfectly acceptable.  This is excellent news.  Everybody can now say
>> what they like about the core developers and
>> there's no comeback.
>>
>> You can also stuff the code of conduct, it's quite clearly only
>> brought into play when it suits.  Never, ever aim it at
>> somebody who goes out of their way to stir things up, always target it
>> at the people who fight back *IS THE RULE HERE*.
>
> Mark,  I sympathize with your feelings.  jmf is certainly a troll, and
> it doesn't feel like anything has been, or is being, done about that
> situation (or for that matter, the help vampire situation... although I
> haven't seen any threads from that one lately -- did he give up, or has
> he been moderated away?).  However, I would suggest that when you are
> venting, you write the email and then just delete it.  I personally
> don't mind the light and humorous posts, but when the name-calling
> starts it makes the list an unfriendly place to be.  And, to be clear,
> the coddling of trolls and help-vampires also makes the list an
> unfriendly place to be.
>
> Terry, would it be appropriate to share some of what the moderators do
> do for us on this list and the others?  And what does the Code of
> Conduct have to say about trolls and help-vampires?
>
> --
> ~Ethan~

We have pointed help-vampires at the Code of Conduct: 
https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2013-November/660343.html

He's also banned from the mailing list, which reduces the number of 
people who see his questions, and helps keep threads from exploding. For 
example, this message to the newsgroup 
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.lang.python/fdhF_Fr4fX0/9B0iK8jGigkJ (sorry 
for the groups link, didn't know how else to link to a post) doesn't 
appear at all in the mailing list, and therefore, in gmane.

But the mailing list ban isn't why you aren't seeing posts from him: he 
hasn't posted again since that linked message, on Nov 21.

I think he's not posting in part because we adopted a uniform stance of 
politely refusing to answer his questions, or even completely ignoring 
his questions.

Of course, he could be back at any time.  I hope we'll continue to 
present a calm unified front.

--Ned.

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Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-30 00:44 +0000
  Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-30 01:07 +0000
  Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-11-29 21:08 -0500
    Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-11-30 13:12 +1100
      Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-11-29 21:28 -0500
        Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-11-29 22:06 -0500
    Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-30 04:21 +0000
      Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-11-29 23:30 -0500
      Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Zero Piraeus <z@etiol.net> - 2013-11-30 02:05 -0300
        Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-30 06:25 +0000
      Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com> - 2013-11-30 00:25 -0500
      Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-11-30 00:37 -0500
        Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-11-29 23:00 -0700
          Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-30 07:11 +0000
        Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-11-30 07:41 +0000
          Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2013-12-01 11:41 +1300
    Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-11-30 08:07 +0000
    Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2013-11-30 11:11 -0800
      Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2013-12-01 11:37 +1300
        Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-11-30 18:07 -0500
          Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2013-12-01 08:57 -0800
        Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-12-01 00:22 +0000
          Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-11-30 18:52 -0600
            Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-12-01 00:54 +0000
              Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-11-30 19:05 -0600
              Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-01 12:13 +1100
                Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-11-30 20:27 -0500
                Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-01 12:31 +1100
  Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Serhiy Storchaka <storchaka@gmail.com> - 2013-12-01 20:00 +0200
    Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2013-12-01 12:15 -0800
      Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> - 2013-12-02 07:54 +1100
        Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2013-12-02 04:39 -0800
          Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-02 14:46 +0000
          Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-12-02 10:22 -0500
          Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-02 15:45 +0000
          Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-03 02:49 +1100
          Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-12-02 10:58 -0500
          Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-12-02 15:26 -0500
          Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-02 20:45 +0000
          Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-12-02 16:44 -0500
          Code of Conduct, Trolls, and Thankless Jobs  [was Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly] Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2013-12-02 13:25 -0800
          Re: Code of Conduct, Trolls, and Thankless Jobs  [was Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly] Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-02 22:04 +0000
            Re: Code of Conduct, Trolls, and Thankless Jobs  [was Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly] Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-12-02 20:38 -0500
              Pythonista Goals  [was Re: Code of Conduct, Trolls, and Thankless Jobs] Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2013-12-02 17:56 -0800
              Re: Code of Conduct, Trolls, and Thankless Jobs  [was Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly] Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-12-03 04:32 +0000
                Re: Code of Conduct, Trolls, and Thankless Jobs  [was Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly] Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-12-03 05:41 +0000
                Re: Code of Conduct, Trolls, and Thankless Jobs  [was Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly] Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-03 12:14 +0000
              Re: Code of Conduct, Trolls, and Thankless Jobs [was Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly] Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-03 12:11 +0000
          Re: Code of Conduct, Trolls, and Thankless Jobs  [was Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly] Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-12-02 17:23 -0500
          Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-12-02 17:24 -0500
          Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-02 22:32 +0000
          Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-12-02 17:53 -0500
          Re: Code of Conduct, Trolls, and Thankless Jobs Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2013-12-03 10:11 +1100
          Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2013-12-02 14:41 -0800
          Re: Code of Conduct, Trolls, and Thankless Jobs  [was Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly] Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-12-02 22:22 -0500
          Re: Code of Conduct, Trolls, and Thankless Jobs Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-12-02 22:39 -0500
          Re: Code of Conduct, Trolls, and Thankless Jobs  [was Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly] Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2013-12-02 20:11 -0800
      Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-01 22:06 +0000
      Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> - 2013-12-02 09:29 +1100
      Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-01 23:10 +0000
      Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2013-12-01 14:50 -0800
      Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-02 00:43 +0000
  Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2013-12-02 12:38 -0800
  Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Ned Batchelder <ned@nedbatchelder.com> - 2013-12-02 16:14 -0500
    Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2013-12-03 05:06 +0000
      Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly joe <joeedh@gmail.com> - 2013-12-02 23:35 -0800
      Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2013-12-03 10:34 -0800
  Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-12-03 08:23 +1100
  Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2013-12-02 21:27 +0000
  Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2013-12-02 13:27 -0800
  Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2013-12-03 09:56 +1100
  Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2013-12-03 13:47 +0000
  Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2013-12-03 06:26 -0800
    Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2013-12-04 05:52 -0800
      Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-12-04 14:07 +0000
      Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2013-12-04 14:38 +0000

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