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Re: Version Control Software

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Date Fri, 14 Jun 2013 16:55:20 -0400
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On 06/14/2013 10:24 AM, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2013-06-14, Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> wrote:
>
>> All that being said, it is, as Anssi points out, a horrible, bloated,
>> overpriced, complicated mess which requires teams of specially
>> trained ClearCase admins to run.  In other words, it's exactly the
>> sort of thing big, stupid, Fortune-500 companies buy because the IBM
>> salesperson plays golf with the CIO.
>
> Years ago, I worked at one largish company where a couple of the
> embedded development projects used ClearCase.  The rest of us used CVS
> or RCS or some other cheap commercial systems.  Judging by those
> results, ClearCase requires a full-time administrator for every 10 or
> so users.  The other systems seemed to require almost no regular
> administration, and what was required was handled by the developers
> themselves (mayby a couple hours per month).  The cost of ClearCase
> was also sky-high.
>

if I remember rightly, it was about two-thousand dollars per seat.  And 
the people I saw using it were using XCOPY to copy the stuff they needed 
onto their local drives, then disabling the ClearCase service so they 
could get some real work done.  Compiles were about 10x slower with the 
service active.

Now that was on Windows NT, when Clearcase was first porting from Unix. 
  So perhaps things have improved.


-- 
DaveA

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  Re: Version Control Software Mark Janssen <dreamingforward@gmail.com> - 2013-06-12 16:36 -0700
  Re: Version Control Software Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-06-12 19:52 -0400
  Re: Version Control Software Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-13 10:04 +1000
  Re: Version Control Software Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-06-12 21:41 -0500
  Re: Version Control Software Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2013-06-13 12:30 +1000
    Re: Version Control Software rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-06-13 04:54 -0700
    Re: Version Control Software Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-06-13 17:06 +0000
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        Re: Version Control Software Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-06-13 21:53 +0000
          Re: Version Control Software Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-14 07:59 +1000
          Re: Version Control Software Zero Piraeus <schesis@gmail.com> - 2013-06-13 18:20 -0400
          Re: Version Control Software Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-06-13 20:09 -0400
      Re: Version Control Software Fábio Santos <fabiosantosart@gmail.com> - 2013-06-13 23:15 +0100
      Re: Version Control Software Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-14 08:17 +1000
      Re: Version Control Software Benjamin Kaplan <benjamin.kaplan@case.edu> - 2013-06-13 15:24 -0700
      Re: Version Control Software Neil Hodgson <nhodgson@iinet.net.au> - 2013-06-14 08:53 +1000
  Re: Version Control Software Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-06-12 21:48 -0500
  Re: Version Control Software Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-06-12 22:51 -0400
    Re: Version Control Software Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2013-06-13 13:43 +0100
  Re: Version Control Software cutems93 <ms2597@cornell.edu> - 2013-06-12 23:00 -0700
    Re: Version Control Software rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-06-12 23:43 -0700
    Re: Version Control Software Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-06-13 07:08 -0400
    Re: Version Control Software MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2013-06-13 12:26 +0100
      Re: Version Control Software rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-06-13 04:46 -0700
    Re: Version Control Software Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2013-06-14 15:06 +0300
      Re: Version Control Software Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-06-14 08:32 -0400
        Re: Version Control Software Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-06-14 14:24 +0000
          Re: Version Control Software Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-06-14 16:55 -0400
          Re: Version Control Software Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-06-14 20:26 -0400
          Re: Version Control Software Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> - 2013-06-15 15:39 +1000
          Re: Version Control Software Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-15 15:53 +1000
            Re: Version Control Software Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-06-15 10:16 -0400
              Re: Version Control Software Giorgos Tzampanakis <giorgos.tzampanakis@gmail.com> - 2013-06-15 15:29 +0000
                Re: Version Control Software Dan Sommers <dan@tombstonezero.net> - 2013-06-15 18:29 +0000
                Re: Version Control Software Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-16 09:01 +1000
                Re: Version Control Software Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> - 2013-06-16 07:49 +1000
              Re: Version Control Software Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-16 09:14 +1000
                Re: Version Control Software rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-06-15 20:55 -0700
                Re: Version Control Software Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-16 14:13 +1000
                Re: Version Control Software Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-06-16 05:20 +0000
                Re: Version Control Software Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-16 15:29 +1000
                Re: Version Control Software Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-06-16 05:15 -0400
                Re: Version Control Software Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-16 19:51 +1000
              Re: Version Control Software Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick <kwpolska@gmail.com> - 2013-06-16 15:30 +0200
                Re: Version Control Software Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-06-16 09:50 -0400
                Re: Version Control Software Lele Gaifax <lele@metapensiero.it> - 2013-06-16 17:48 +0200
                Re: Version Control Software Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-06-16 13:02 -0400
              Re: Version Control Software Jason Swails <jason.swails@gmail.com> - 2013-06-16 12:39 -0400
  Re: Version Control Software Serhiy Storchaka <storchaka@gmail.com> - 2013-06-13 10:20 +0300
  Re: Version Control Software Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-06-13 07:34 -0500
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