Re: Version Control Software

From	Roy Smith <roy@panix.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.python
Subject	Re: Version Control Software
Date	2013-06-13 07:08 -0400
Organization	PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC
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In article <2644d0de-9a81-41aa-b27a-cb4535964b58@googlegroups.com>,
 cutems93 <ms2597@cornell.edu> wrote:

> Thank you everyone for such helpful responses! Actually, I have one more 
> question. Does anybody have experience with closed source version control 
> software? If so, why did you buy it instead of downloading open source 
> software? Does closed source vcs have some benefits over open source in some 
> part? 

This really doesn't have anything to do with python.  Someplace like 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_version_control_systems would 
be a good starting point for further research.

If I were to buy a closed-source VCS today, I would look at Perforce 
(www.perforce.com).  I used it for several years.  For small teams, you 
can download and use it for free, so you can play with it without 
commitment.

Perforce tries to solve a somewhat larger problem than just version 
control.  They also do configuration management.  You can set up a 
config-spec which says, "Give me this bunch of files from branch A, that 
bunch of files from branch B, and some third bunch of files which have 
some specific tag.  And, while you're at it, remap the path names so the 
directory structure looks like I want it to".

This configuration management can be a powerful tool when working on a 
huge project.  We threw *everything* into our p4 repo, including the all 
the compilers, development toolchains, and pre-built binaries for all 
the third-party libraries we used.  We also used a single repo shared by 
all the development groups (many 100's of developers on three 
continents).  I would never want to do that in a system like git or hg; 
every developer would have to drag down 100's of GB of crap they didn't 
need.  With p4, we could build people config-specs so they got just the 
parts they needed.

It is also a bit of a steep learning curve to figure out.  Only a few 
people were trusted to do things like build config-specs and create 
shared branches.

As a company, Perforce is a dream to work with.  Their tech support was 
pretty awesome.  I would shoot off an email to support@perforce.com, and 
I don't think it ever took more than 5 or 10 minutes for me to get a 
response back from somebody.  And that somebody would inevitably be 
somebody who knew enough to solve my problem, not just some first-line 
support drone.

The costs aren't outrageous, either.  The pricing is a little 
complicated (initial license, annual renewal, various support options, 
of them on a sliding scale based on quantity).  I seem to remember it 
working out to about $100/developer/year for us, but we were buying in 
fairly large quantities.

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Version Control Software cutems93 <ms2597@cornell.edu> - 2013-06-12 16:27 -0700
  Re: Version Control Software Mark Janssen <dreamingforward@gmail.com> - 2013-06-12 16:36 -0700
  Re: Version Control Software Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2013-06-12 19:52 -0400
  Re: Version Control Software Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-13 10:04 +1000
  Re: Version Control Software Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-06-12 21:41 -0500
  Re: Version Control Software Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2013-06-13 12:30 +1000
    Re: Version Control Software rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-06-13 04:54 -0700
    Re: Version Control Software Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-06-13 17:06 +0000
      Re: Version Control Software Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-14 07:26 +1000
        Re: Version Control Software Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-06-13 21:53 +0000
          Re: Version Control Software Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-14 07:59 +1000
          Re: Version Control Software Zero Piraeus <schesis@gmail.com> - 2013-06-13 18:20 -0400
          Re: Version Control Software Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-06-13 20:09 -0400
      Re: Version Control Software Fábio Santos <fabiosantosart@gmail.com> - 2013-06-13 23:15 +0100
      Re: Version Control Software Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-14 08:17 +1000
      Re: Version Control Software Benjamin Kaplan <benjamin.kaplan@case.edu> - 2013-06-13 15:24 -0700
      Re: Version Control Software Neil Hodgson <nhodgson@iinet.net.au> - 2013-06-14 08:53 +1000
  Re: Version Control Software Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-06-12 21:48 -0500
  Re: Version Control Software Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-06-12 22:51 -0400
    Re: Version Control Software Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2013-06-13 13:43 +0100
  Re: Version Control Software cutems93 <ms2597@cornell.edu> - 2013-06-12 23:00 -0700
    Re: Version Control Software rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-06-12 23:43 -0700
    Re: Version Control Software Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-06-13 07:08 -0400
    Re: Version Control Software MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2013-06-13 12:26 +0100
      Re: Version Control Software rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-06-13 04:46 -0700
    Re: Version Control Software Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2013-06-14 15:06 +0300
      Re: Version Control Software Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-06-14 08:32 -0400
        Re: Version Control Software Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-06-14 14:24 +0000
          Re: Version Control Software Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-06-14 16:55 -0400
          Re: Version Control Software Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-06-14 20:26 -0400
          Re: Version Control Software Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> - 2013-06-15 15:39 +1000
          Re: Version Control Software Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-15 15:53 +1000
            Re: Version Control Software Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-06-15 10:16 -0400
              Re: Version Control Software Giorgos Tzampanakis <giorgos.tzampanakis@gmail.com> - 2013-06-15 15:29 +0000
                Re: Version Control Software Dan Sommers <dan@tombstonezero.net> - 2013-06-15 18:29 +0000
                Re: Version Control Software Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-16 09:01 +1000
                Re: Version Control Software Tim Delaney <timothy.c.delaney@gmail.com> - 2013-06-16 07:49 +1000
              Re: Version Control Software Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-16 09:14 +1000
                Re: Version Control Software rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-06-15 20:55 -0700
                Re: Version Control Software Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-16 14:13 +1000
                Re: Version Control Software Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-06-16 05:20 +0000
                Re: Version Control Software Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-16 15:29 +1000
                Re: Version Control Software Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-06-16 05:15 -0400
                Re: Version Control Software Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-16 19:51 +1000
              Re: Version Control Software Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick <kwpolska@gmail.com> - 2013-06-16 15:30 +0200
                Re: Version Control Software Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-06-16 09:50 -0400
                Re: Version Control Software Lele Gaifax <lele@metapensiero.it> - 2013-06-16 17:48 +0200
                Re: Version Control Software Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-06-16 13:02 -0400
              Re: Version Control Software Jason Swails <jason.swails@gmail.com> - 2013-06-16 12:39 -0400
  Re: Version Control Software Serhiy Storchaka <storchaka@gmail.com> - 2013-06-13 10:20 +0300
  Re: Version Control Software Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-06-13 07:34 -0500
    Re: Version Control Software Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-06-13 08:52 -0400

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