Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.150 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.72; '*S*': 0.02; 'admins': 0.09; 'cvs': 0.09; 'mess': 0.09; 'seemed': 0.09; 'systems.': 0.12; 'windows': 0.15; 'big,': 0.16; 'porting': 0.16; 'rcs': 0.16; 'received:74.208.4.195': 0.16; 'roy': 0.16; 'stupid,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'users.': 0.18; 'cheap': 0.19; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.23; 'sort': 0.25; 'developers': 0.25; 'full-time': 0.26; 'specially': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'rest': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'points': 0.29; 'said,': 0.30; 'handled': 0.32; 'stuff': 0.32; 'themselves': 0.32; 'regular': 0.32; 'worked': 0.33; 'could': 0.34; 'done.': 0.35; 'ibm': 0.36; 'words,': 0.36; 'being': 0.38; 'needed': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'embedded': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'company': 0.60; 'ago,': 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'companies': 0.62; 'real': 0.63; 'hours': 0.66; 'received:74.208': 0.68; 'smith': 0.68; 'commercial': 0.71; 'saw': 0.77; 'compiles': 0.84; 'golf': 0.84; 'improved.': 0.84; 'plays': 0.84; 'results,': 0.84; 'seat.': 0.84; 'subject:Control': 0.84; 'edwards': 0.91; 'trained': 0.95; 'dollars': 0.97 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 16:55:20 -0400 From: Dave Angel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130510 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Version Control Software References: <98c13a55-dbf2-46a7-a2aa-8c5f052ff375@googlegroups.com> <2644d0de-9a81-41aa-b27a-cb4535964b58@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:5JbeyTWgcK0ubaQnqq/OnadccUZ5YfLKiBrWkR5VyIz EHlt7k1S2hLVdDM5J4gUO/w2Vrvs/9HoIWDlW1Lr2Ss0Xv0I9C a2mjVbLGeWbAKRCK8W6AmHXqRImKp7jjMrzzwAkRshXqZAoCq3 Yq8VDrKmYLktTkYgU9KKI8CSt7vEiTDJtFDKrRrQP0X0KmDTVW vttsdT8D5BX6v+LPHuAmLBVEIef3/tQq2p0asFUupaySUfMtOG gfmRVSaP/8SH26lcgOzcMQx3hnQk+3VgbsyoM62EGR3sRR4qZr RXzpBbeu+oxwXC6rcUfgnHX9Ib74cPzqjwSFh2VnDSuk1LasA= = X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1371243335 news.xs4all.nl 15972 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:44528 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:48217 On 06/14/2013 10:24 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2013-06-14, Roy Smith wrote: > >> All that being said, it is, as Anssi points out, a horrible, bloated, >> overpriced, complicated mess which requires teams of specially >> trained ClearCase admins to run. In other words, it's exactly the >> sort of thing big, stupid, Fortune-500 companies buy because the IBM >> salesperson plays golf with the CIO. > > Years ago, I worked at one largish company where a couple of the > embedded development projects used ClearCase. The rest of us used CVS > or RCS or some other cheap commercial systems. Judging by those > results, ClearCase requires a full-time administrator for every 10 or > so users. The other systems seemed to require almost no regular > administration, and what was required was handled by the developers > themselves (mayby a couple hours per month). The cost of ClearCase > was also sky-high. > if I remember rightly, it was about two-thousand dollars per seat. And the people I saw using it were using XCOPY to copy the stuff they needed onto their local drives, then disabling the ClearCase service so they could get some real work done. Compiles were about 10x slower with the service active. Now that was on Windows NT, when Clearcase was first porting from Unix. So perhaps things have improved. -- DaveA