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Re: Python 3 lack of support for fcgi/wsgi.

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Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> writes:

> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > One way is take reports like John's seriously and receive them
> > with thanks, instead of attacking the messenger.

Please note that, where John Nagle has made supportible criticisms, I
have thanked him for them. They are indeed useful to be aware of.

It's also important to note, of course, that those specific criticisms
are already well known and are being publicly addressed.

It is his claims that there are un-addressed problems which I was
focussing on, trying to get specific information.

> If a messenger wants to be thanked, he should start by not attacking
> the recipients. Respect goes both ways. Make your post with a hostile
> attitude of "Python 3 is the cause of all my problems", and you'll
> find hostility coming back at you.

If my responses seemed hostile, that was not my intent. I asked John
Nagle (and have still not seen in this forum his answers to) questions
asking for support of his claims.

My request for specific supporting information – that is, this critical
inquiry – was met not with answers, but with allegations of a “denial
problem” and “uncritical fanboys”.

So I've continued to be especially critical in this thread, since John
Nagle expressed opposition to uncritical acceptance of claims.

Critical inquiry is often mistaken for hostility. If that happened here,
I apologise. But so far it's all been a distraction, and I still have
nothing from Nagle supporting his assertions


Your broader point remains true: readers are safe in dismissing claims
about being “screwed by Python 3” or “Python 3 not ready for prime time”
unsupported by specific evidence.

Frustration is understandable. Expressing anger is regrettable,
especially if it is misdirected. Persisting in blaming “Python 3” when
the only reported problems are clearly not particular to Python 3, is
disingenuous and harmful.

-- 
 \         “If history and science have taught us anything, it is that |
  `\     passion and desire are not the same as truth.” —E. O. Wilson, |
_o__)                                              _Consilience_, 1998 |
Ben Finney

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Python 3 lack of support for fcgi/wsgi. John Nagle <nagle@animats.com> - 2015-03-29 11:57 -0700
  Re: Python 3 lack of support for fcgi/wsgi. Andrew Berg <aberg010@my.hennepintech.edu> - 2015-03-29 14:06 -0500
  Re: Python 3 lack of support for fcgi/wsgi. Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2015-03-30 06:11 +1100
    Re: Python 3 lack of support for fcgi/wsgi. John Nagle <nagle@animats.com> - 2015-03-29 15:37 -0700
      Re: Python 3 lack of support for fcgi/wsgi. Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2015-03-30 09:58 +1100
        Re: Python 3 lack of support for fcgi/wsgi. Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-29 18:03 -0700
          Re: Python 3 lack of support for fcgi/wsgi. Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2015-03-30 12:22 +1100
            Re: Python 3 lack of support for fcgi/wsgi. Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-29 19:16 -0700
              Re: Python 3 lack of support for fcgi/wsgi. Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2015-03-30 13:30 +1100
                Re: Python 3 lack of support for fcgi/wsgi. Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-29 19:51 -0700
                Re: Python 3 lack of support for fcgi/wsgi. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-03-30 14:06 +1100
                Re: Python 3 lack of support for fcgi/wsgi. Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-03-29 20:20 -0700
                Re: Python 3 lack of support for fcgi/wsgi. Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-29 21:35 -0700
                Re: Python 3 lack of support for fcgi/wsgi. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-03-30 15:47 +1100
                Re: Python 3 lack of support for fcgi/wsgi. Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2015-03-30 18:15 +0000
                Re: Python 3 lack of support for fcgi/wsgi. Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-03-29 22:03 -0700
                Re: Python 3 lack of support for fcgi/wsgi. Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2015-03-30 14:22 +1100
          Re: Python 3 lack of support for fcgi/wsgi. John Nagle <nagle@animats.com> - 2015-03-29 19:11 -0700
            Re: Python 3 lack of support for fcgi/wsgi. Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2015-03-30 13:28 +1100
            Re: Python 3 lack of support for fcgi/wsgi. John Nagle <nagle@animats.com> - 2015-03-30 13:07 -0700
              Re: Python 3 lack of support for fcgi/wsgi. Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2015-03-30 19:02 -0400
              Re: Python 3 lack of support for fcgi/wsgi. Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2015-03-31 10:30 +1100
          Re: Python 3 lack of support for fcgi/wsgi. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-03-30 11:29 +0100
      Re: Python 3 lack of support for fcgi/wsgi. Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2015-03-29 21:30 -0600
      Re: Python 3 lack of support for fcgi/wsgi. Carl Meyer <carl@oddbird.net> - 2015-03-29 21:50 -0600
      Re: Python 3 lack of support for fcgi/wsgi. INADA Naoki <songofacandy@gmail.com> - 2015-03-30 13:45 +0900
  Re: Python 3 lack of support for fcgi/wsgi. Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-03-29 22:42 +0300
  Re: Python 3 lack of support for fcgi/wsgi. Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-03-30 08:40 +1100
    Re: Python 3 lack of support for fcgi/wsgi. Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-03-29 23:04 +0100
  Re: Python 3 lack of support for fcgi/wsgi. Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.co.uk> - 2015-03-30 00:56 +0000
  Re: Python 3 lack of support for fcgi/wsgi. Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2015-03-30 17:21 +0000

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