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Thanks for your reply Dennis,

the commands sounding like they should be commands to a user is the whole point of the exercise: In doing so, we hope to make the API accessible also to users from a less technical background. You are perfectly right that system events are being generated and passed around, however that is not what these users care about. Frankly, also I coming from a very technical background don't care which events are generated and how, as long as it works. 

I agree that "key_down"/"key_up" has a nice symmetry to it. Maybe a solution could also be to use a context manager:
	with key_down(SHIFT):
		# some action...

Cheers

On Friday, November 23, 2012 11:11:34 PM UTC+1, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 10:00:54 -0800 (PST), Michael Herrmann
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> <Michael Herrmann> declaimed the following in
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> gmane.comp.python.general:
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> > These names aren't perfect. As Emile rightly pointed out, several tools distinguish between 'press' and 'release' and a user might wonder how to release a key that was pressed using 'press'. That's an ambiguity that is certainly there, however we hope that once the user has at least seen
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> > 	press(ENTER)
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> > it is clear what is meant. Distinguishing between pressing and releasing could we think easily be done with, say
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> > 	hold_down(SHIFT)
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> > 	...
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> > 	release(SHIFT)
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> > Another ambiguity of 'press' that I pointed out in my original mail is that it could also be understood as "pressing a button". The current idea is to raise a ValueError if the user supplies a string that is longer than one character:
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> > 	>>> press("OK")
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> > 	ValueError: 'press' generates keystrokes and can only press single letters at a time. Did you maybe mean click("OK") or press('O', 'K')?
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> 	"press", "hold_down", "release" just sound so much like they should
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> be commands to a /user/ not to a means of programmatically controlling
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> an interface. A "user" presses a button -- but a program is just
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> injecting the "event" of a button press into the input processing stream
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> (it's been decades, but I still think in Amiga terms -- where all input
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> events routed through one input handler and chained to the programs
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> wanting to work with raw events... This meant that, but injecting the
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> event codes before the input handler, a program could make another
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> program [including the OS] think one had ejected/inserted floppies,
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> mouse movements, keystrokes)
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> 	"hold_down" and "release" would seem more memorable, and symmetric,
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> if named "key_down" and "key_up"; and if "press" is limited to single
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> codes -- "key" [or "keystroke"]
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> 	The closest M$ .Net method is called SendKeys() and works with
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> strings.
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> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/microsoft.visualstudio.testtools.uitesting.keyboard.sendkeys%28v=vs.100%29.aspx
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> > What do you think of this solution? I hope anybody read this far. I probably shouldn't have written that much but wanted to do justice to your inputs.
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> > Thanks!
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> > Michael
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> > On Tuesday, November 20, 2012 1:18:38 PM UTC+1, Michael Herrmann wrote:
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> > > Hi, 
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> > > I'm developing a GUI Automation library (http://www.getautoma.com) and am having difficulty picking a name for the function that simulates key strokes. I currently have it as 'type' but that clashes with the built-in function. Example uses of 'type': 
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> > > type("Hello World!")
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> > > type(CTRL + 'a')
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> > > What, in your view, would be the most intuitive alternative name?
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> > > Here are my thoughts so far: I could call it 'press' but then our GUI automation tool also allows you to click things and then "press" might be mistaken for "pressing a button". A less ambiguous alternative is "type_keys" but that is rather long and doesn't read as well, for instance in type_keys(ENTER).
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> > > Thank you very much!
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> -- 
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> 	Wulfraed                 Dennis Lee Bieber         AF6VN
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