Re: 10 sec poll - please reply!

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Date	2012-11-24 12:56 -0800
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Subject	Re: 10 sec poll - please reply!
From	Michael Herrmann <michael.herrmann@getautoma.com>

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Hi Steven,

press('s') is allowed. So is press('S') - it presses shift for you and is thus equivalent to press(SHIFT + 's'). You can write press('f', 's'). You cannot write press('fs') because that's what enter(...) is for. If you try - or, as I would deem more likely, happen do to it by mistake - you get the following warning:
	>>> press('fs')
	ValueError: 'press' generates single keystrokes and is not intended to be used for typing in long plain-text strings. Did you maybe mean one of the following?
	 * enter("fs")
	 * click("fs")
	 * press('f', 's')
I'm not aware of CTRL + i having a connection with TAB. You cannot use it to get a tab. We haven't decided on what to do when you press('\t'). If you want three tabs, you can write
	press(TAB, TAB, TAB)
If you want a tab, a letter and a newline, you can do
enter("""\tA 
\tB 
\tC 
""")
The reasoning is that you are entering plain text, that is a string that you would like to appear in the window you are typing into in the same way as you are supplying it to `enter`.

If you want to type "Hello World!" without entering it, you call
	enter("Hello World!")
Yes, I did write "call *enter* to do X *without entering*". You are hinting at a valid ambiguity with `enter` that Chris already pointed out. I don't think it's worse than the ambiguity of
	>>> type("Hello World!")
	<type 'str'>

We would need a new function for holding down keys to release them later. You are again pointing out an imho valid ambiguity. However, you were just happily using `press` with the understanding that it presses and releases keys, so I hope this one isn't too bad.

As I said, I opened a new thread solely for overriding `type` in the context of a GUI automation library: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/comp.lang.python/GjZ2hAS1Wyk. So far, 4/4 people there advised against it. If only Python hadn't defined `type`...

Michael

On Friday, November 23, 2012 11:30:04 PM UTC+1, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 05:42:22 -0800, Michael Herrmann wrote:
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> 
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> > Dear all,
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> > 
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> > the emails are getting kind of long so to ask you briefly: What do you
> 
> > think of splitting `type` into two functions `press` and `enter`?
> 
> 
> 
> This invites confusion as to the rules of when you can call `press` and 
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> when you can call `enter`. Especially since you haven't explained the 
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> rules, just given a bunch of non-exhaustive examples and invited people 
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> to extrapolate what the rules are.
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> 
> 
> (By the way, they aren't use-cases, they're examples.)
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> > Their use cases are:
> 
> >         press(CTRL + 'a')
> 
> >         press(ENTER)
> 
> >         press(ALT + 'f', 's')
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> >         enter("Hello World!")
> 
> >         enter("test.txt", into="File name")
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> Is `press('s')` allowed?
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> 
> 
> What about `press('S')`, or do I have to write `press(SHIFT + 's')`?
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> 
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> If I can write `press(ALT + 'f', 's')`, can I write `press('f', 's')`? If 
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> not, why not?
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> 
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> Can I write `press('fs')` as a simpler version of `press('f', 's')`? If 
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> not, why not?
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> 
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> Can I write `press(CTRL + 'i')` to get a tab? How about `press('\t')`?
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> If I want three tabs, can I write `press('\t\t\t')`, or do I have to write
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> 
> 
> press(CTRL + 'i')
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> press(CTRL + 'i')
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> press(CTRL + 'i')
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> 
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> If I want a tab, a letter, and a newline, repeated three times, can I do 
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> this?
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> 
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> press("""\tA
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> \tB
> 
> \tC
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> """)
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> 
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> Or do I have to do this?
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> 
> 
> press(CTRL + 'i')
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> enter('A')
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> press(CTRL + 'i')
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> enter('B')
> 
> press(CTRL + 'i')
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> enter('C')
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> 
> 
> Speaking of enter, how do I type "Hello World!" without entering it? If I 
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> want to type "Hello World!" without ENTER, do I have to do this?
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> 
> 
> press('H')
> 
> press('e')
> 
> press('l')
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> press('l')
> 
> ... you get the picture
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> 
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> With a function named "press", I would expect to be able to say:
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> 
> 
> press('a')
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> time.sleep(5)
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> release('a')
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> How do I do something like that?
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> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Steven

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10 sec poll - please reply! Michael Herrmann <michael.herrmann@getautoma.com> - 2012-11-20 04:18 -0800
  Re: 10 sec poll - please reply! Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-11-20 23:23 +1100
  Re: 10 sec poll - please reply! Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-11-20 13:09 +0000
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