Re: 10 sec poll - please reply!

From	Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com>
Subject	Re: 10 sec poll - please reply!
Date	2012-11-23 17:10 -0500
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On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 10:00:54 -0800 (PST), Michael Herrmann
<michael.herrmann@getautoma.com> declaimed the following in
gmane.comp.python.general:

> These names aren't perfect. As Emile rightly pointed out, several tools distinguish between 'press' and 'release' and a user might wonder how to release a key that was pressed using 'press'. That's an ambiguity that is certainly there, however we hope that once the user has at least seen
> 	press(ENTER)
> it is clear what is meant. Distinguishing between pressing and releasing could we think easily be done with, say
> 	hold_down(SHIFT)
> 	...
> 	release(SHIFT)
> Another ambiguity of 'press' that I pointed out in my original mail is that it could also be understood as "pressing a button". The current idea is to raise a ValueError if the user supplies a string that is longer than one character:
> 	>>> press("OK")
> 	ValueError: 'press' generates keystrokes and can only press single letters at a time. Did you maybe mean click("OK") or press('O', 'K')?
> 

	"press", "hold_down", "release" just sound so much like they should
be commands to a /user/ not to a means of programmatically controlling
an interface. A "user" presses a button -- but a program is just
injecting the "event" of a button press into the input processing stream
(it's been decades, but I still think in Amiga terms -- where all input
events routed through one input handler and chained to the programs
wanting to work with raw events... This meant that, but injecting the
event codes before the input handler, a program could make another
program [including the OS] think one had ejected/inserted floppies,
mouse movements, keystrokes)

	"hold_down" and "release" would seem more memorable, and symmetric,
if named "key_down" and "key_up"; and if "press" is limited to single
codes -- "key" [or "keystroke"]

	The closest M$ .Net method is called SendKeys() and works with
strings.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/microsoft.visualstudio.testtools.uitesting.keyboard.sendkeys%28v=vs.100%29.aspx





> What do you think of this solution? I hope anybody read this far. I probably shouldn't have written that much but wanted to do justice to your inputs.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Michael
> 
> On Tuesday, November 20, 2012 1:18:38 PM UTC+1, Michael Herrmann wrote:
> > Hi, 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I'm developing a GUI Automation library (http://www.getautoma.com) and am having difficulty picking a name for the function that simulates key strokes. I currently have it as 'type' but that clashes with the built-in function. Example uses of 'type': 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > type(ENTER)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > type("Hello World!")
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > type(CTRL + 'a')
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > What, in your view, would be the most intuitive alternative name?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Here are my thoughts so far: I could call it 'press' but then our GUI automation tool also allows you to click things and then "press" might be mistaken for "pressing a button". A less ambiguous alternative is "type_keys" but that is rather long and doesn't read as well, for instance in type_keys(ENTER).
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Thank you very much!
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10 sec poll - please reply! Michael Herrmann <michael.herrmann@getautoma.com> - 2012-11-20 04:18 -0800
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  Re: 10 sec poll - please reply! Dave Angel <davea@dejaviewphoto.com> - 2012-11-20 08:39 -0500
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  Re: 10 sec poll - please reply! Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-11-21 17:35 +1100
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  Re: 10 sec poll - please reply! markus.moldaschl@gmail.com - 2012-11-21 01:29 -0800
  Re: 10 sec poll - please reply! Michael Herrmann <michael.herrmann@getautoma.com> - 2012-11-21 09:19 -0800
  Re: 10 sec poll - please reply! Michael Herrmann <michael.herrmann@getautoma.com> - 2012-11-22 10:00 -0800
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