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Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building.

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Date 2012-10-14 05:33 +1100
Subject Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building.
From Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.python
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On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 5:18 AM,  <nbvfour@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, October 13, 2012 12:48:23 PM UTC-4, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> No, I don't, because I haven't tried to use it. But allow me to give
>> two examples, one on each side of the argument.
>>
>> The 'tee' utility is primarily for writing a pipe to disk AND to
>> further pipelining, for instance:
>
> Could you please spent 10 minutes to read through the tutorial?

A fair criticism, and I am duly chastised. Okay. Now reading through
your web site... alright, I'm back.

>>  This is why I say it's likely not a good thing that your framework
>> *forces* the separation of model/view/controller. You make it
>> impossible to temporarily ignore the framework.
>
> Exactly. When you 'break out of the framework' you pile on technical debt. I want to force developers to not do that.

Philosophy point 2: Giotto does force users to do things the “Giotto
way”. In other words, convention over configuration

Nice theory, but this is the bit that I fundamentally disagree with.
Forcing programmers to work in one particular style is usually not the
job of the language/framework/library. That should be up to the
programmer, or at least the local style guide. I do like your plan of
having identical interfaces to the same functionality (your example of
web-based and command-line is particularly appealing to my personal
tastes), but the same can usually be achieved with a well-built
library. In fact, all you need to do is have your model as a simple
Python module, and then the view and controller call on its functions.

What does your framework offer over a basic system like that?

ChrisA

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Feedback on my python framework I'm building. nbvfour@gmail.com - 2012-10-12 21:49 -0700
  Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building. Etienne Robillard <animelovin@gmail.com> - 2012-10-13 04:18 -0400
  Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-10-14 01:12 +1100
    Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building. nbvfour@gmail.com - 2012-10-13 08:57 -0700
      Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building. Etienne Robillard <animelovin@gmail.com> - 2012-10-13 12:10 -0400
      Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-10-14 03:48 +1100
        Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building. nbvfour@gmail.com - 2012-10-13 11:18 -0700
          Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-10-14 05:33 +1100
            Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building. nbvfour@gmail.com - 2012-10-13 15:24 -0700
              Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-10-14 10:06 +1100
              Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building. Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-10-14 02:25 +0000
                Re: one obvious parser (was "Feedback on my python framework I'm building.") Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2012-10-13 21:53 -0500
                Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building. MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2012-10-14 03:58 +0100
            Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building. nbvfour@gmail.com - 2012-10-13 15:24 -0700
            Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building. Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-10-14 03:37 +0000
              Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building. Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-10-14 15:20 +1100
              Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building. Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-10-14 08:48 -0400
                Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building. Dave Angel <d@davea.name> - 2012-10-14 18:38 -0400
                Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building. MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2012-10-15 00:40 +0100
                Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building. Roel Schroeven <roel@roelschroeven.net> - 2012-10-15 19:29 +0200
        Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building. nbvfour@gmail.com - 2012-10-13 11:18 -0700
      Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building. Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2012-10-14 01:43 +0100
    Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building. nbvfour@gmail.com - 2012-10-13 08:57 -0700
  Re: Feedback on my python framework I'm building. Etienne Robillard <animelovin@gmail.com> - 2012-10-13 10:44 -0400

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