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Date Thu, 19 Sep 2013 01:12:39 +1000
Subject Re: Language design
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On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> wrote:
> On 2013-09-18, Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:57 AM, Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> wrote:
>>> There's lots of poetry with significant indentation, though.
>>> Imbuing the shape of the text on the page with significance is a
>>> thing.
>>
>> And you can do that with C code, too. Doesn't mean that
>> indentation is important to C; it means that you're layering
>> different types of information into a single piece of work.
>> It's like Perl code drawn in the shape of a camel - a beautiful
>> hack.
>
> I just meant you can't condense whitespace in a poem and retain
> all its meaning. It will break certain kinds of quotation styles
> in publications, as well.

Sure. I'm still trying to work out if it's possible to deliver a
verbal speech with fancy information in its written version... English
is a fun language to tinker with!

ChrisA

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    Re: Language design Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2013-09-11 14:32 +0000
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    Re: Please omit false legalese footers (was: Language design) Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-09-12 20:12 +0000
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