Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.032 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.94; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:design': 0.09; '12:57': 0.16; '1:08': 0.16; 'fancy': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'layering': 0.16; 'subject:Language': 0.16; 'sure.': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'trying': 0.19; 'shape': 0.19; 'thu,': 0.19; 'verbal': 0.19; 'meant': 0.20; 'written': 0.21; '>>>': 0.22; 'code,': 0.22; 'certain': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'chris': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'work.': 0.31; 'code': 0.31; 'too.': 0.31; 'indentation': 0.31; 'perl': 0.31; 'piece': 0.31; 'sep': 0.31; 'styles': 0.31; 'though.': 0.31; 'text': 0.33; "can't": 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'possible': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'break': 0.61; 'deliver': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'information': 0.63; 'different': 0.65; 'beautiful': 0.68; 'significance': 0.84; 'speech': 0.84; 'quotation': 0.93; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=dNYM3lUyQDAF1WHHsJ4a6UpbNKaYnEj0k7/TSBDiFdE=; b=hNDMDvr27LorMw0E8KTEHWR0wd0MLqDCQ1Rll6idrrfXAaCsRTy62hYn8T8ABklVnD 6XYm8ebhvRfTYNJPYPf3bAVbiTwhk0DtgVvzQgle9I7w3LzAfYVDG+y13tYLXETRkQmR 3VZONDXAdn9a9oL92GiTnSv8ymSWRj7BNVgKMlcPLrhKWjYmJ0FxcNwj6Di64X/vAgRr Txsf0t1v4rhLe3LqBAwsGT7aOhP46ZNMuFA93jd7mq8xpULACMB1bomQZrV23RPnsSOc 7OlUHjbGs3EXbo5NzE2kA9N3TyvfQ+Vl/rSkhPWp+CyF00CZTpmrfj6f9PbGuy/lhjGW lNSA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.164.202 with SMTP id f10mr1489033vcy.25.1379517160116; Wed, 18 Sep 2013 08:12:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <522eb795$0$29999$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <5232e562$0$29988$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 01:12:39 +1000 Subject: Re: Language design From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1379517162 news.xs4all.nl 15990 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:53142 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:54387 On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Neil Cerutti wrote: > On 2013-09-18, Chris Angelico wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:57 AM, Neil Cerutti wrote: >>> There's lots of poetry with significant indentation, though. >>> Imbuing the shape of the text on the page with significance is a >>> thing. >> >> And you can do that with C code, too. Doesn't mean that >> indentation is important to C; it means that you're layering >> different types of information into a single piece of work. >> It's like Perl code drawn in the shape of a camel - a beautiful >> hack. > > I just meant you can't condense whitespace in a poem and retain > all its meaning. It will break certain kinds of quotation styles > in publications, as well. Sure. I'm still trying to work out if it's possible to deliver a verbal speech with fancy information in its written version... English is a fun language to tinker with! ChrisA