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Re: (Still OT) Nationalism, language and monoculture [was Re: Python Worst Practices]

From Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz>
Newsgroups comp.lang.python
Subject Re: (Still OT) Nationalism, language and monoculture [was Re: Python Worst Practices]
Date 2015-03-03 23:35 +1300
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Chris Angelico wrote:
> And I've seen a number of proposals to build Python with its
> *keywords* localized. While there is a reasonable limit to this (for
> instance, I wouldn't expect the disassembly of CPython byte-code to
> have "STORE_FAST" translated into another language), there's nothing
> wrong with programmers being able to write their code in their
> languages.

Just for fun, I used Google Translate to turn a piece of
my Python code into French.

Some of the results were rather amusing. For example, it
turned "mess" (short for "message") into "désordre", and
"but" (short for "button") into "mais". It got "for", "in",
"if", "else" and "return" right, though!

# Original code

def ask(mess, responses = ["OK", "Cancel"], default = 0, cancel = -1,
		wrap_width = 60, **kwds):
	box = Dialog(**kwds)
	d = box.margin
	lb = wrapped_label(mess, wrap_width)
	lb.topleft = (d, d)
	buts = []
	for caption in responses:
		but = Button(caption, action = lambda x = caption: box.dismiss(x))
		buts.append(but)
	brow = Row(buts, spacing = d, equalize = 'w')
	lb.width = max(lb.width, brow.width)
	col = Column([lb, brow], spacing = d, align ='r')
	col.topleft = (d, d)
	if default is not None:
		box.enter_response = responses[default]
	else:
		box.enter_response = None
	if cancel is not None:
		box.cancel_response = responses[cancel]
	else:
		box.cancel_response = None
	box.add(col)
	box.shrink_wrap()
	return box.present()

# Translated code

demander def (désordre, réponses = ["OK", "Annuler"], par défaut = 0, annulent = -1,
wrap_width = 60, kwds **):
boîte de dialogue = (** kwds)
d = box.margin
lb = wrapped_label (désordre, wrap_width)
lb.topleft = (d, d)
BUTS = []
pour la légende dans les réponses:
mais = Bouton (légende, action = lambda x = légende: box.dismiss (x))
buts.append (mais)
Brow = ROW (buts, l'espacement = d, égalisent = 'W')
lb.width = max (lb.width, brow.width)
col = Colonne ([lb, le front], l'espacement = d, align = 'r')
col.topleft = (d, d)
si par défaut ne est pas None:
box.enter_response = réponses [défaut]
d'autre:
box.enter_response = Aucun
si annuler ne est pas None:
box.cancel_response = réponses [Annuler]
d'autre:
box.cancel_response = Aucun
box.add (col)
box.shrink_wrap ()
retourner box.present ()

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  Re: Python Worst Practices BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-02-28 10:28 +0000
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                Re: (Still OT) Nationalism, language and monoculture [was Re: Python Worst Practices] Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-03-05 07:19 +0200
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                Re: (Still OT) Nationalism, language and monoculture [was Re: Python Worst Practices] Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-03-06 00:00 -0800
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                Re: (Still OT) Nationalism, language and monoculture [was Re: Python Worst Practices] Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2015-03-05 21:45 +0200
                Re: (Still OT) Nationalism, language and monoculture [was Re: Python Worst Practices] Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-03-05 22:10 +0200
                Re: (Still OT) Nationalism, language and monoculture [was Re: Python Worst Practices] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-03-03 02:45 +1100
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                Re: (Still OT) Nationalism, language and monoculture [was Re: Python Worst Practices] Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-03-03 17:56 +1100
                Re: (Still OT) Nationalism, language and monoculture [was Re: Python Worst Practices] Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-03-03 09:05 +0200
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                Re: (Still OT) Nationalism, language and monoculture [was Re: Python Worst Practices] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-03-03 18:38 +1100
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                Re: (Still OT) Nationalism, language and monoculture [was Re: Python Worst Practices] wxjmfauth@gmail.com - 2015-03-02 23:35 -0800
                Re: (Still OT) Nationalism, language and monoculture [was Re: Python Worst Practices] Joel Goldstick <joel.goldstick@gmail.com> - 2015-03-02 10:54 -0500
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                Re: (Still OT) Nationalism, language and monoculture [was Re: Python Worst Practices] Gregory Ewing <greg.ewing@canterbury.ac.nz> - 2015-03-03 19:06 +1300
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                Re: (Still OT) Nationalism, language and monoculture [was Re: Python Worst Practices] MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2015-03-03 02:09 +0000
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                Re: Python Worst Practices alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2015-03-02 15:32 +0000
                Re: Python Worst Practices Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-03-02 15:45 +0000
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                Re: Uncanny valley of languages Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2015-03-02 18:33 -0800
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          Re: Python Worst Practices Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-03-01 16:52 +0000
          Re: Python Worst Practices alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2015-03-01 20:16 +0000
            Re: Python Worst Practices Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-03-02 07:26 +1100
              Re: Python Worst Practices alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2015-03-01 21:07 +0000
            Re: Python Worst Practices Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-03-01 22:45 +0200
              Re: Python Worst Practices Mario Figueiredo <marfig@gmail.com> - 2015-03-01 22:01 +0100
            Re: Python Worst Practices Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-03-01 20:53 -0500
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                Re: Python Worst Practices Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.co.uk> - 2015-03-02 22:21 +0000
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                Re: Python Worst Practices Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-03-03 06:32 +0200
                Re: Python Worst Practices Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.co.uk> - 2015-03-03 11:15 +0000
                Re: Python Worst Practices Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-03-03 15:49 +1100
                Re: Python Worst Practices Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.co.uk> - 2015-03-03 11:31 +0000
                Re: Python Worst Practices Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-03-03 07:20 +0000
            Re: Python Worst Practices Travis Griggs <travisgriggs@gmail.com> - 2015-03-02 08:25 -0800
              Re: Python Worst Practices alister <alister.nospam.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2015-03-02 17:02 +0000
          Re: Python Worst Practices BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-03-01 22:14 +0000
          Re: Python Worst Practices Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-03-02 06:45 +1100

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