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Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background

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Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> writes:
> It would appear that disk I/O is considered nonblocking at a very deep
> level:
>  * O_NONBLOCK doesn't have an effect
>  * a process waiting for the disk to respond cannot receive a signal
>  * a process waiting for the disk to respond stays in the "ready" state

You can handle those issues with AIO.  It's open(2) that seems to have
no asynchronous analog as far as I can tell.  Actually, looking at the
AIO man pages, it appears that the Linux kernel currently doesn't
support it and it's instead simulated by a userspace library using
threads.  I didn't realize that before.  But AIO is at least specified
by POSIX, and there was some kernel work (io_setup(2) etc.) that may or
may not still be in progress.  It also doesn't have an open(2) analog,
sigh.

> On the networking side, there is also a dangerous blocking operation:
> socket.getaddrinfo() (and friends). As a consequence, socket.bind(),
> socket.connect() may block indefinitely. In fact, even asyncio's
> BaseEventLoop.create_server() and BaseEventLoop.create_sonnection() may
> block indefinitely without yielding.

getaddrinfo is a notorious pain but I think it's just a library issue;
an async version should be possible in principle.  How does Twisted
handle it?  Does it have a version?  

I've just felt depressed whenever I've looked at any Python async stuff.
I've written many Python programs with threads and not gotten into the
trouble that people keep warning about.  But I haven't really understood
the warnings, so maybe they know something I don't.  I just write in a
multiprocessing style, with every mutable object owned by exactly one
thread and accessed only by RPC through queues, sort of a poor man's
Erlang.  There's a performance hit but there's a much bigger one from
using Python in the first place, so I just live with it.

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asyncio - run coroutine in the background "Frank Millman" <frank@chagford.com> - 2016-02-15 08:35 +0200
  Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-02-15 08:54 +0200
    Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background "Frank Millman" <frank@chagford.com> - 2016-02-15 09:16 +0200
      Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-02-15 09:34 +0200
      Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-02-14 23:39 -0800
        Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background "Frank Millman" <frank@chagford.com> - 2016-02-15 10:17 +0200
        Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-02-15 13:05 +0200
        Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 16:51 +1100
        Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Kevin Conway <kevinjacobconway@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 13:22 +0000
          Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-02-16 16:17 +0200
            Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background "Frank Millman" <frank@chagford.com> - 2016-02-16 16:36 +0200
            Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Kevin Conway <kevinjacobconway@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 14:54 +0000
            Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-02-17 02:17 +1100
              Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-02-16 19:12 +0200
                Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-02-17 20:38 -0800
                Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-02-18 08:10 +0200
              Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-02-16 19:13 +0200
              Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-02-16 19:14 +0200
              Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-02-16 19:15 +0200
                Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-02-16 19:15 +0200
                Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Robin Becker <robin@reportlab.com> - 2016-02-16 17:52 +0000
            Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background "Frank Millman" <frank@chagford.com> - 2016-02-16 17:21 +0200
              Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-02-16 19:20 +0200
                Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-02-19 23:40 -0800
                Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-02-20 10:13 +0200
                Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-02-20 00:37 -0800
                Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 19:52 +1100
                Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-02-20 10:59 +0200
                Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 20:02 +1100
                Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-02-20 11:28 +0200
                Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Kevin Conway <kevinjacobconway@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 13:52 +0000
                Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background "Martin A. Brown" <martin@linux-ip.net> - 2016-02-20 09:45 -0800
                Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 08:47 +1100
            Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 02:28 +1100
            Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background "Frank Millman" <frank@chagford.com> - 2016-02-16 17:45 +0200
        Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background "Frank Millman" <frank@chagford.com> - 2016-02-16 15:52 +0200

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