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Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background

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Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid>:

> Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> writes:
>> "Frank Millman" <frank@chagford.com>:
>>> I would love to drive the database asynchronously, but of the three
>>> databases I use, only psycopg2 seems to have asyncio support.
>> Yes, asyncio is at its infancy. There needs to be a moratorium on
>> blocking I/O.
>
> Unfortunately there appears to be no way to open a file in Linux
> without at least potentially blocking (slow disk or whatever). You
> need separate threads or processes to do the right thing.

I have been wondering about the same thing. It would appear that disk
I/O is considered nonblocking at a very deep level:

 * O_NONBLOCK doesn't have an effect

 * a process waiting for the disk to respond cannot receive a signal

 * a process waiting for the disk to respond stays in the "ready" state

Note that

 * most disk I/O operates on a RAM cache that is flushed irregularly

 * memory mapping and swapping make disk I/O and RAM access two sides of
   the same coin

 * page faults can turn any assembly language instruction into a
   blocking disk I/O operation

 * ordinary disks don't provide for much parallelism; processes are
   usually serialized for disk I/O

If the file system happens to be NFS, a networking issue may paralyze
the whole system.

...

On the networking side, there is also a dangerous blocking operation:
socket.getaddrinfo() (and friends). As a consequence, socket.bind(),
socket.connect() may block indefinitely. In fact, even asyncio's
BaseEventLoop.create_server() and BaseEventLoop.create_sonnection() may
block indefinitely without yielding.

SEE ALSO
    getaddrinfo_a(3)


Marko

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asyncio - run coroutine in the background "Frank Millman" <frank@chagford.com> - 2016-02-15 08:35 +0200
  Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-02-15 08:54 +0200
    Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background "Frank Millman" <frank@chagford.com> - 2016-02-15 09:16 +0200
      Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-02-15 09:34 +0200
      Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-02-14 23:39 -0800
        Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background "Frank Millman" <frank@chagford.com> - 2016-02-15 10:17 +0200
        Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-02-15 13:05 +0200
        Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 16:51 +1100
        Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Kevin Conway <kevinjacobconway@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 13:22 +0000
          Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-02-16 16:17 +0200
            Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background "Frank Millman" <frank@chagford.com> - 2016-02-16 16:36 +0200
            Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Kevin Conway <kevinjacobconway@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 14:54 +0000
            Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2016-02-17 02:17 +1100
              Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-02-16 19:12 +0200
                Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-02-17 20:38 -0800
                Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-02-18 08:10 +0200
              Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-02-16 19:13 +0200
              Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-02-16 19:14 +0200
              Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-02-16 19:15 +0200
                Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-02-16 19:15 +0200
                Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Robin Becker <robin@reportlab.com> - 2016-02-16 17:52 +0000
            Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background "Frank Millman" <frank@chagford.com> - 2016-02-16 17:21 +0200
              Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-02-16 19:20 +0200
                Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-02-19 23:40 -0800
                Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-02-20 10:13 +0200
                Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-02-20 00:37 -0800
                Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 19:52 +1100
                Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-02-20 10:59 +0200
                Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 20:02 +1100
                Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2016-02-20 11:28 +0200
                Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Kevin Conway <kevinjacobconway@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 13:52 +0000
                Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background "Martin A. Brown" <martin@linux-ip.net> - 2016-02-20 09:45 -0800
                Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 08:47 +1100
            Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 02:28 +1100
            Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background "Frank Millman" <frank@chagford.com> - 2016-02-16 17:45 +0200
        Re: asyncio - run coroutine in the background "Frank Millman" <frank@chagford.com> - 2016-02-16 15:52 +0200

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